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Who were these SMYTHS?
« on: Friday 20 June 25 20:39 BST (UK) »
My Brill line goes back to William Brill born in Weston Turville in 1823.  He went to London and married Mary Ann Williams in 1848 at Newington.

His line goes back to George Brill and Elizabeth Goodson in 1730 - also Weston Turville.

Elizabeth's line goes back to William Goodson (1624-1673) and Sarah Smythe (b 1525) in Dorset. Married Aston Clinton 1624.

Sarah's father was Henry Smyth jnr (1585-1647) - his wife could be one of 2 or 3 people, still trying to find that.

Henry's father was Henry Smyth (1560-1610).  Here we run into the first problem.  Smyth is such a common name and I don't have a birthplace for him.  He could be the son of Lord Robert Smyth (1544-1601), but he (Lord R) was born in Yorkshire and died in Oxfordshire.  I can't find another potential father for Henry.

The 2nd problem:  Henry is said to have married Margaret Cecil de Cave (1567-1715) who was the daughter of Elizabeth de Cecil (1523-1569) and Francis de Cave (1524-1583) who came from Stanford, Northamptonshire,  and died at Hungerton, Leics.

I don't know how to get any further with these Smyths.  Henry could either be the son of Lord Robert, or a yeoman, son of another Smyth altogether.  If he is not the son of a lord, would Margaret de Cecil, grandaughter of Lord Burleigh, be allowed to marry him?  It seems unlikely.

So these Smyths are my brick wall and I have no idea how to get through it.  Any suggestions?

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Re: Who were these SMYTHS?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 June 25 20:45 BST (UK) »
Correction:  Margaret de Cave 1567-1615.  Sorry.

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Re: Who were these SMYTHS?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 26 June 25 03:30 BST (UK) »
Did any of them leave wills?
Wills name wives children and perhaps other relatives receive bequests.

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Re: Who were these SMYTHS?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 26 June 25 05:47 BST (UK) »
Where did Henry Smyth (1560-1610) live? Did he live in Dorset or Bucks? What social class was he? A husbandman or carpenter wouldn't marry the daughter of a Lord. Do you have any original records of him that would help to place him? Something other than family trees?
Mead - Herts, Bucks, Essex
Pontifex - Bucks
Goldhurst - London, Middx, Herts
Kellogg/Kelhog - Essex, Cambs