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Artificial Intelligence - Tongue in Cheek Observations
« on: Tuesday 17 June 25 16:48 BST (UK) »
Just been listening to a Doctor saying that A.I., will change healthcare and that numerous books are being scanned into the system and then he went on to talk about robotics in operations.

I wouldn't trust an operation like that, based on the following:-

So I typed into Google ...

Artificial Intelligence who is the father of George Hood of Selby uk

It offered me UK as a choice to add on to my text, so A.I., realised that this was likely a UK problem, so I accepted UK on the end of my question, up came some Rootschat images, one from the 1815 York Courant newspaper of George Hood's marriage at Selby, which Google will also do.

Then a pdf with this in (which doesn't make any sense yet) and probably would not if traced backward (but I will check who she links back to, out of curiosity) ...

death of mother Mary Sarah
Hood (1828–1914), July 1914,
York, Yorkshire, England


Next ...
Global Government Forum website
The accelerator and the brake: embedding AI across government in the UK

Because the government piece cites a person whose surname includes -Hood as part of her double barrelled surname. They are a family in printed Biographies and works by Burke.

Also Rootschat ... Richard Hood, a Mariner, roughly a similar age span to George Hood, so if linked, this Richard Hood was not a Father of George.

I previously did some research into the witness names at the 1817 marriage of Richard Hood to Elizabeth Barrett, at Hull, Yorkshire. Using the witness names as the Marriages parties at other nearby Yorkshire Marriages and found one with a Hoard witness. My late Grandmother 55 years ago, said Hood could be previously pronounced like that.

Suggesting Hoard may also be a variation of Hood.

The old printed work of one particular Howard family in Southern England said their surname Howard was also spelt Hoard, but this particular family was one who use both spellings at the same time.

And a few other returns where hood appears as part of a word.

I'm laughing  ;D  ;D  ;D that there will be some people or questions who can or will totally flummox A.I.  ;D

The only way A.I., might work in family history, would mean people reading and typing billions of words, from every single piece or page of a surviving Document, or Will, or Deed, Manor Court Roll, Rental etc., etc., or Volume, or Historical Book etc., held in an Archive, or Library, or Repository, or University Special Collection and their Libraries, or National Archives and archives still held by the UK government (much of it in old style handwriting or Latin etc.,) and then be accurately fed into a massive super computer program.

That is not going to happen.

I discovered a few years ago that even the Law Society a Registration Body of Solicitors hold some documents, of some Solicitors who cease in the profession, for one reason or another.

Mark

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Re: Artificial Intelligence - Tongue in Cheek Observations
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 17 June 25 20:15 BST (UK) »
That is interesting that A.I. should offer me another seemingly unsolvable Hood reference, to another Hood question that A.I. cannot answer?

I thought for £3, I'd order a Death Certificate for:-

death of mother Mary Sarah
Hood (1828–1914), July 1914,
York, Yorkshire, England


I did find on Free BMD a Mary S Hood, in another English County in 1914, but not the age, nor in the Quarter for the month stated above.

See additional comment, re strike out.

A snippet extract of the pdf is attached, that the A.I. generated answer came from.

Mark

Sorry, I meant I only found a:-

Sarah M Hood, District Reading, 57 (by reversing the forenames), but age and District are not even close either.


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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 18 June 25 14:21 BST (UK) »
So it isn't me losing my mind  ;D

Nobody else can find the 1914 death of Mary Sarah Hood, York, England, either?

Mark  :)

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Re: Artificial Intelligence - Tongue in Cheek Observations
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 18 June 25 14:57 BST (UK) »
You can tell the green answer comes straight from of one of the American databases.  Perhaps you would like to enquire how her husband came to die in a Metropolitan Borough and a County which were not established until 59 years after the event.


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Re: Artificial Intelligence - Tongue in Cheek Observations
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 18 June 25 15:47 BST (UK) »

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The only way A.I., might work in family history, would mean people reading and typing billions of words, from every single piece or page of a surviving Document, or Will, or Deed, Manor Court Roll, Rental etc., etc., or Volume, or Historical Book etc., held in an Archive, or Library, or Repository, or University Special Collection and their Libraries, or National Archives and archives still held by the UK government (much of it in old style handwriting or Latin etc.,) and then be accurately fed into a massive super computer program.
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Why?  I'm doing my family history and haven't accessed all those documents, let alone read them all.  I don't follow why AI couldn't be useful in family history without needing all that information.

TBH I'm no fan of AI, I think it is being hyped up beyond reason, but that doesn't mean the idea doesn't have some merit.

The fundamental issue here is that what we currently call 'AI' is a machine with limited intelligence.  The maxim of 'rubbish in rubish out' was never truer.  Without understanding the limitations of the machine we are using we take on a huge risk of accepting garbage.

There's a difference between asking an AI system to "Do my family history for me" and giving it a specific task within a specific dataset.

This is why the medical use is interesting - computer systems are good at pattern matching because it involves processing a huge amount of information.  Medicine is a form of pattern matching (aka "What are your symptoms?").  If used sensibly AI could identify things the medical practitioner had never heard of and put them forward as possibilities - so long as there is a qualified doctor doing a sanity check on the results I don't see that as harmful.

Family history also involves some pattern matching - for example with a family which didn't move round much births of a certain surname in a given registration district within a given timeframe have the possibility of being children of the same family.  Trawling through the indexes at the FRC was fun up to a point, but it could get tedious.  FreeBMD makes it much quicker to find the possibilities, but still needs a fair amount of human brainpower to check each individual (especially where MMN isn't given).

So imagine a system which uses FreeBMD-type data to give a list of possible siblings for a specified person, with some level of probability calculated for each one, perhaps incorporating the cardinal points system to work out if they were in the same (or adjoining) parish(es).

I think something like that could be a valuable application of AI in family history, and wouldn't be impossible to do.  However, it would still require the human to understand the results aren't complete and aren't perfect, and that's the crux of where we are with AI at the moment.

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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 18 June 25 15:51 BST (UK) »
You can tell the green answer comes straight from of one of the American databases.  Perhaps you would like to enquire how her husband came to die in a Metropolitan Borough and a County which were not established until 59 years after the event.

...Presumably because the system is programmed to use the current rather than historical names for places?

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 18 June 25 16:32 BST (UK) »
Just noticed a tiny 8 and Footnote 8 claims it has been generated or copied from this Ancestry link ...

We’re sorry, this page is temporarily unavailable.

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https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/6924198/person/6078000647/
facts?_phsrc=xsj12&_phstart=successSource

20/01/2024 13:38

It seems the link has a break and trying to join it removes the next character.

Google says the link is missing.

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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 18 June 25 19:18 BST (UK) »
For an 1828 Birth and the 1914[?] Death Ancestry is thowing up Mary Hood and someone links in Wells Hood of York.

Wells Hood was a Wines and Spirits Merchant at York and I have some notes, Parish Register downloads, imaged Wills etc., and some patchy bits and pieces before 1800. Some of his wider family had links to nonconformism and had property at various locations.

I have separate notes and a brief section of his family, some Wills c.1770 to c.1870 in my lever arch folders, because of two suspicions:- the surname and the earlier nonconformist marriage of the couple who occupied a house straight after my 2 x Gt Grandfather and also a Census Visitor in another family household of mine when traced backward.

His Hood family are a bit better on late 18th Century Wills and already land and property owners.

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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 18 June 25 21:00 BST (UK) »
So it isn't me losing my mind  ;D

Nobody else can find the 1914 death of Mary Sarah Hood, York, England, either?

Mark  :)

I note the father is William Wallace Hargrove
So perhaps this is the death of Mary in Sept qtr 1914

Hargrove    Mary    86    York    9d   21


They married 1860 ( still no Sarah in name) her father was Wells Hood, gentleman.