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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 15 June 25 12:47 BST (UK) »
Yes looks like he was a busy man :)
I saw the illeg bapt also.

LizzieL gave you the second Marriage;

married Barbara Orton, she died 1702 after having more children
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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 15 June 25 12:48 BST (UK) »
8 Oct 1694 licence . Samuel Greenway wid of Kingsbury and Barbara Orton sp. Se is of Little (Parva) Packington. There's a Timothy Orton mentioned - farmer) - possibly bondsman. My Latin's a bit rusty
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 15 June 25 13:15 BST (UK) »
Possible Burial;
5 Feb 1712/3, St Giles, Nether Whitacre, DORATHEY Brown
No age given.
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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 15 June 25 13:21 BST (UK) »
On the image of Mary's baptism, 7 Feb 1694/5 it has daughter of Samuel & .......  (leaving space to add mother's name). If Samuel and Barbara were married in Oct 1694, Mary would have been conceived before marriage.

As to the illeg birth - odd to call a daughter Samuel Greenway! Could there be more one Samuel Greenway of an age to father children, I seem to have found more SG burials than expected in the early 1700s.

And now the will
dated 30 Jan 1730, but could really be 1731.
Mentions:
Eldest son Keeling Greenway, and grandchildren, Anne, Jane, Alice and Keeling, children of said son Keeling
Son John
Son William
Daughter Martha Neal
Daughter Sarah Green
Daughter Mary Brown
Grandson Samuel Greenway
Grandson William Greenway (he doesn't say who the father(s) of these two are and they may not be brothers, but first cousins)
Grandsons John and Samuel Brooks (These two definitely brothers as he says if either dies before he attains age 16 his share goes to the surviving brother)

Residue goes to Son Robert Greenway who is also executor

ADDED
Just noticed that it says the Brookes brothers are the children of his deceased daughter Elizabeth Brookes.

Samuel's children with Alice seem to be Keeling 1683, Samuel 1684 (possible burial 1710), Robert 1686 and Alice 1688.
Alice might have married John Coton in 1707. and had five children. Pos burial for John in 1721 and for Alice (widdow) on March 10th 1726. But unless the Coton children all also died before the will was written, I'm surprised they're not mentioned like the Brookes boys

ANOTHER AMENDMENT
The daughter I listed as Sarah Green is Sarah Greenway  (way is at beginning of next line), so not married in 1730, could be the sarah who married Joseph Capernhurst on 05 Mar 1735.

But who is Mary Brown, the only Mary Greenway marriage in right area at the right sort of time is to Moses Joben in 1716
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 15 June 25 15:09 BST (UK) »
There's a Barbara and Timothy Orton (brother and sister) baptised at Orton on the Hill, about 8 miles from Kingsbury. Barbara's baptism 15 Mar 1667, so age would be in the right area. Parents Richard and Martha
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 15 June 25 17:35 BST (UK) »
On the image of Mary's baptism, 7 Feb 1694/5 it has daughter of Samuel & .......  (leaving space to add mother's name). If Samuel and Barbara were married in Oct 1694, Mary would have been conceived before marriage.

As to the illeg birth - odd to call a daughter Samuel Greenway! Could there be more one Samuel Greenway of an age to father children, I seem to have found more SG burials than expected in the early 1700s.

And now the will
dated 30 Jan 1730, but could really be 1731.
Mentions:
Eldest son Keeling Greenway, and grandchildren, Anne, Jane, Alice and Keeling, children of said son Keeling
Son John
Son William
Daughter Martha Neal
Daughter Sarah Green
Daughter Mary Brown
Grandson Samuel Greenway
Grandson William Greenway (he doesn't say who the father(s) of these two are and they may not be brothers, but first cousins)
Grandsons John and Samuel Brooks (These two definitely brothers as he says if either dies before he attains age 16 his share goes to the surviving brother)

Residue goes to Son Robert Greenway who is also executor

ADDED
Just noticed that it says the Brookes brothers are the children of his deceased daughter Elizabeth Brookes.

Samuel's children with Alice seem to be Keeling 1683, Samuel 1684 (possible burial 1710), Robert 1686 and Alice 1688.
Alice might have married John Coton in 1707. and had five children. Pos burial for John in 1721 and for Alice (widdow) on March 10th 1726. But unless the Coton children all also died before the will was written, I'm surprised they're not mentioned like the Brookes boys

ANOTHER AMENDMENT
The daughter I listed as Sarah Green is Sarah Greenway  (way is at beginning of next line), so not married in 1730, could be the sarah who married Joseph Capernhurst on 05 Mar 1735.

But who is Mary Brown, the only Mary Greenway marriage in right area at the right sort of time is to Moses Joben in 1716

Wow all this info is amazing, thank you so much! Could Mary Brown be the illegitimate child - it mentions a Dorothy Brown as the mother? Maybe the mention of Samuel in that entry is for the father's name?

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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 15 June 25 17:36 BST (UK) »
There's a Barbara and Timothy Orton (brother and sister) baptised at Orton on the Hill, about 8 miles from Kingsbury. Barbara's baptism 15 Mar 1667, so age would be in the right area. Parents Richard and Martha

Fabulous, I'll look into this too :-)

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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 15 June 25 17:50 BST (UK) »
8 Oct 1694 licence . Samuel Greenway wid of Kingsbury and Barbara Orton sp. Se is of Little (Parva) Packington. There's a Timothy Orton mentioned - farmer) - possibly bondsman. My Latin's a bit rusty

Where did you find this please?

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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 15 June 25 18:34 BST (UK) »
8 Oct 1694 licence . Samuel Greenway wid of Kingsbury and Barbara Orton sp. Se is of Little (Parva) Packington. There's a Timothy Orton mentioned - farmer) - possibly bondsman. My Latin's a bit rusty

Where did you find this please?

 it was on FindMyPast . If you are in UK, a lot of libraries have subs to FindMyPast
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott