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Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« on: Saturday 14 June 25 17:23 BST (UK) »
I'm hoping someone can help before I pull all my hair out in frustration!
My 8 x great grandparents are Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling. I've been trying to find their marriage and have found two entries - 1 for Aston and 1 for Nether Whitacre, both on the same date of 11th May 1682. Neither of them state that they are banns rather than a marriage. Anyone got any ideas?

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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 15 June 25 07:11 BST (UK) »
The typed copy on ancestry that's labelled St Peter and St Paul Aston has Samuel of White Acre and Alice of Kingsbury.

It was usual to marry in the bride's parish, but did they meet in the middle?
Did one family have a lot of money that would influence which church they married in? 

 

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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 15 June 25 07:41 BST (UK) »
Was one of these places a chapelry within the other, being a large ancient parish?  Sometimes events were copied into the register of the parent parish.  Sometimes events were copied for other reasons, see
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=884815.msg7579080#msg7579080  reply #11
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So it looks as though it's not a case of duplicating chapelry entries into the mother church register, but an example of events relating to parishioners being recorded even though they took place elsewhere. When I've come across it before it's tended to be from the more prominent families, but given the complicated boundaries it might have been more commonplace around Cumberworth.

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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 15 June 25 08:37 BST (UK) »
FindMyPast has an image of a marriage  licence. Bit faint and difficult to read. Samuel Greenway of Whitacre and Alice Keeling of Kingsbury. It looks like the marriage could take place in either place. I think the date is 9th May although FindMyPast transcribes it as 3rd may
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 June 25 09:19 BST (UK) »
FindMyPast has image of the register which records the marriage definitely on 11th - 2 days after licence. If you can access the image and go back a few pages to the front page of the book it says it is the register of the parish of Nether Whitacre. 
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 June 25 09:21 BST (UK) »
The Greenways look quite well off, judging by the will left when  Samuel died in 1732,
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 15 June 25 10:28 BST (UK) »
The typed copy on ancestry that's labelled St Peter and St Paul Aston has Samuel of White Acre and Alice of Kingsbury.

It was usual to marry in the bride's parish, but did they meet in the middle?
Did one family have a lot of money that would influence which church they married in?

Whitacre and Kingsbury are neighbouring villages. The Greenway family did have money by the looks of it so maybe that's why it was in Nether Whitacre and not Kingsbury.
I've never seen typed entries like the Aston one before which would suggest it is a copy for some reason

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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 15 June 25 10:29 BST (UK) »
The Greenways look quite well off, judging by the will left when  Samuel died in 1732,

Yes, I think they were probably living in Halloughton Hall.

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Re: Samuel Greenway and Alice Keeling
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 15 June 25 10:30 BST (UK) »
Was one of these places a chapelry within the other, being a large ancient parish?  Sometimes events were copied into the register of the parent parish.  Sometimes events were copied for other reasons, see
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=884815.msg7579080#msg7579080  reply #11
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So it looks as though it's not a case of duplicating chapelry entries into the mother church register, but an example of events relating to parishioners being recorded even though they took place elsewhere. When I've come across it before it's tended to be from the more prominent families, but given the complicated boundaries it might have been more commonplace around Cumberworth.

Maybe this is what happened. I've looked at the ancient parish of Aston and it did stretch as far as Water Orton in Warwickshire - very close to where I believe they got married. Thanks, not come across this before.