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More on Hiding in Tasmania
« on: Friday 13 June 25 13:59 BST (UK) »
Back in March I asked about Christiana Whitfield (and the many surnames she used) who had apparently spent a year in Tasmania around 1909/1910 before heading off to Sea Lake in Victoria, where she became Christiana Maydwell.  The previous topic is under "Hiding in Tasmania"
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I think the general consensus was that there really wasn't anything to suggest she actually went to Tasmania (where they supposedly took a property in New Norfolk which was damaged by fire).  However since then I've looked closely at her time in Sea Lake and the death of her daughter, Christina, by suicide.  Christina (known as Cissie) had taken the name Vernon and it had been assumed this was just an off the cuff invention to work anonymously in Melbourne.

However it's since been suggested Vernon was the pseudonym the family had used in Tasmania (I had originally understood it was North) and after another search I have turned up this on this site  https://thelist.tas.gov.au.  I'm thinking it might be records of them paying rent for a property.  The name is Christina rather than Christiana but Christina was a minor at this point so I think it's more likely to be referring to Christiana if this relates to some sort of contract.

I'm assuming this refers to rents and the two names are the landlords. Has anyone else seen records like these and knows if I'm interpreting that correctly?  Does anyone know if I could establish more or less where the property was situated?

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Re: More on Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 14 June 25 15:38 BST (UK) »
I've looked further into this and now believe these relate to Isaiah Oldbury and Christiana I'Anson buying a property in Forcett (1909) of 200 acres under the false names of John and Christina Vernon, then selling 50 acres the following year.  I know that they left Tasmania in 1910.  Christiana travelled to Sea Lake in Victoria without Isaiah knowing where she had gone and he eventually returned to his farm in New Zealand.  On that basis they could probably not have sold the remaining 150 acres and I assume it would eventually have reverted to the Crown?

The story was that their property in Tasmania burned down but I haven't found anything about that specifically.  It could have been a useful story - they were never reticent about making things up to fit their agendas!

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Re: More on Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 17 June 25 04:43 BST (UK) »
DIVORCE SUIT.
Otago Daily Times, Issue 14626, 11 September 1909, Page 7

Details of Christina L Anson and Isaiah Oldbury eloping to NZ c 1907-9 with her chn.

NZ papers available on Papers Past NZ

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Re: More on Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 17 June 25 06:54 BST (UK) »
Hi aahume

Just mentioning that this "interesting"  ;) couple Oldbury and Ianson, have been the subject of previous searches on Rootschat.
Here are a couple of threads that delve into their doings.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=888957.msg7624531#msg7624531
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=708766.0


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Re: More on Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 19 June 25 20:47 BST (UK) »
Yes, "interesting" is a good word for them...  I've seen the previous threads and I think the story is gradually being unravelled but as soon as one knot is teased apart a bigger one appears!

There is some doubt still that they were using the names John and Christiana Vernon but I've done a timeline of the divorce petitions, disposal of NZ property, purchases in Tasmania etc and it all ties in beautifully, other than it seems they bought 200 acres in Feb 1909 and I can only find the sale of 50 acres the following year.  By that time Isaiah was described as "overseas" - but this was a ploy they had used before too.

Added to that, Christiana's daughter Christina took the name Christina Vernon when she went off to work in Melbourne before committing suicide.  Strangely the death certificate reported her age as 46 whereas she was 20 (it was corrected for the inquest) which just happens to have been her mother's age.  I suspect she may have taken ID used by her mother in Tasmania and used it to get work.

One other thing that surprised me was the willingness to declare her death as suicide.  She left no note and the coroner decided, with no evidence really, that she suffered with headaches and this led to mental derangement...

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Re: More on Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #5 on: Friday 20 June 25 00:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Ranolki,   Your attachment shows Land Titles of three properties, two of 200 acres and the third of 50 acres.  Email the Tasmanian Land Titles for copies of each title.   Land Titles after 1870  are not free
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Back in March I asked about Christiana Whitfield (and the many surnames she used) who had apparently spent a year in Tasmania around 1909/1910 before heading off to Sea Lake in Victoria, where she became Christiana Maydwell.  The previous topic is under "Hiding in Tasmania"
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I think the general consensus was that there really wasn't anything to suggest she actually went to Tasmania (where they supposedly took a property in New Norfolk which was damaged by fire).  However since then I've looked closely at her time in Sea Lake and the death of her daughter, Christina, by suicide.  Christina (known as Cissie) had taken the name Vernon and it had been assumed this was just an off the cuff invention to work anonymously in Melbourne.

However it's since been suggested Vernon was the pseudonym the family had used in Tasmania (I had originally understood it was North) and after another search I have turned up this on this site  https://thelist.tas.gov.au.  I'm thinking it might be records of them paying rent for a property.  The name is Christina rather than Christiana but Christina was a minor at this point so I think it's more likely to be referring to Christiana if this relates to some sort of contract.

I'm assuming this refers to rents and the two names are the landlords. Has anyone else seen records like these and knows if I'm interpreting that correctly?  Does anyone know if I could establish more or less where the property was situated?

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Re: More on Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 22 June 25 10:30 BST (UK) »
Thank you.I've discovered more about those contracts via Tasmanian records, but it still leaves a mystery...

I've copied the contracts but they are still too large to post here. If anyone would like to see, they are free to access on thelist.tas.gov.au using the reference numbers on that schedule.  The first contract refers to the transfer of a total of 200 acres (in three parcels of 100 acres and two of 50 each) to John and Christiana Vernon in 1909, various instructions about paying off an existing mortgage and the cost (which, after tortuous calculations between some figures in shillings and others in pounds) show they paid £315.  The second entry on that schedule seems to be a typo as the other two documents just mention a piece of the original land, total size 50 acres.  This was transferred for a nominal 5 shillings to each of them (and noting that by now John Vernon is "overseas").  No mention is made of the remaining 150 acres and I can see nothing to tell me what happened to it later.

I can find nothing to suggest people named John and Christina Vernon actually existed.  I've also done a timeline merging what I know Isiaiah and Christiana did with the dates of these land purchases.  They fit beautifully which is another pointer to what probably happened.

So now (this seems to be the never ending story...)

1. If there really were people named John and Christina Vernon, where did they come from and what happened to them?  They are supposedly married but there is no evidence of this anywhere on
Ancestry.com or FamilySearch

2. What happened to the other 150 acres?  Checking laws at that time it seems John Vernon could have sold the 150 acres without input from Christina as it was almost certainly his own money that bought it.  So I'm wondering if this was just left to revert to the Crown?

3. This may answer why Christiana's daughter adopted the name Vernon when she ran away to Melbourne in 1913 before ultimately committed suicide

4. Is this the site of the mysterious fire alluded to in the piece written by Helen Maydwell, rather than the New Norfolk fire she mentioned (I can't find evidence of that anywhere).  Something obviously chased them out of Tasmania but at the moment I can only imagine it was their own relationship breakdown.  Certainly they left Tasmania separately and Isaiah was "overseas" (ie I know Isaiah was in Melbourne by then) before Christiana left.

5. Should there be some sort of records relating to their stay in Forcett - Local taxes paid etc?

6.  This couple seemed to be able to wander around changing their surname at will, things were so different at the beginning of the 20th century... I know Christiana started life as Whitfield, was then I'Anson through marriage, reverted to Whitfield for her passage to NZ, then used Isaiah's surname of Oldbury, seemingly used North for a short period in Tasmania and then seems to have become Christina Vernon and finally becoming Christiana Maydwell.  Isaiah stuck with Oldbury for quite a while but once the decree absolute was issued awarding William I'Anson £1500 he seems to have followed Christiana's path. Obviously he didn't take on the Maydell name as they had parted ways by then.  He did finally return to the UK as John Wilson and was so successful at hiding away that his death certificate was issued in that name, his real identity only coming out when his will was discovered in his real name.

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Re: More on Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #7 on: Monday 23 June 25 10:31 BST (UK) »
Here's part of the historic deed 12_2480 that describes the 50 acres that were sold bordering land owned by Daniel Lane and John Bingham and Gilling Brook (Creek) The earlier deeds also spoke of the other 150 acres bordering land owned by Gangell, Peter Joysey (Joicey on the map)

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Re: More on Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #8 on: Monday 23 June 25 10:33 BST (UK) »
On the County land grant map layer on thelist map I've outlined in red the likely 200 acres that the Vernon's purchased