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Cain Smith 1733 gypsy
« on: Monday 09 June 25 08:13 BST (UK) »
Does anyone have any info please on Cain Smith a gypsy born in Buckinghamshire in 1733.
He is a direct descendant but is married (I think but cannot find a record) to a Sarah Hannah Taylor. Cain and Sarah have a child Wisdom - prince of the gypsies
 She is also married and having children with a Tommy Smith (also a gypsy) at the same time with Tommy being the father of Absolom - king of the gypsies.
I keep going around in circles with this part of the tree so if anyone has any useful information I would be so grateful - thank you

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Re: Cain Smith 1733 gypsy
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 June 25 11:19 BST (UK) »
For information only - Wisdom was baptised at Steeple Claydon, parents Cain and Sarah 28 Mar 1763

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How do you know that Cain was born in Buckinghamshire
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Re: Cain Smith 1733 gypsy
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 June 25 11:35 BST (UK) »
Absalom Smith, King of the Gipsies was buried at Twyford age 60 on 10th February 1826.  He was therefore born c1766 (to Tommy and Sarah  :-\. )
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Re: Cain Smith 1733 gypsy
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 June 25 12:42 BST (UK) »
There is this on Family Search on a tree link from Wisdom Smith's baptism record  ???

Cain Smith
Birth: 1733 Buckinghamshire, England, United Kingdom
Death: 15 September 1838Ratley, Warwickshire, England, United Kingdom

This is attached to a tree that has a Sarah Taylor but NOT listed as wife and no marriage details??? ???
Birth: 1729 North Marston, Buckinghamshire, England
Death: abt 1780

Also no sources to confirm any of the above Sorry

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Re: Cain Smith 1733 gypsy
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 June 25 13:36 BST (UK) »
Quote from: gc1 on Monday 09 June 25 12:42 BST (UK)
There is this on Family Search on a tree link from Wisdom Smith's baptism record  ???

Cain Smith
Birth: 1733 Buckinghamshire, England, United Kingdom
Death: 15 September 1838Ratley, Warwickshire, England, United Kingdom


That would make him around 105 when he died  :-\
There is no death on GRO for a Cain Smith to tie in with that 1838 date
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Re: Cain Smith 1733 gypsy
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 June 25 19:08 BST (UK) »
"That would make him around 105 when he died  :-\
There is no death on GRO for a Cain Smith to tie in with that 1838 date"

Opps good spot rosie99 Sorry  :o
I did say there was no Sources to back it up but I should have checked My Bad  :'(
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Re: Cain Smith 1733 gypsy
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 June 25 19:40 BST (UK) »
Sligo Journal, 10 May 1839

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Re: Cain Smith 1733 gypsy
« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 June 25 19:49 BST (UK) »
No holds barred in that newspaper report!

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Re: Cain Smith 1733 gypsy
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 June 25 19:55 BST (UK) »
 Before posting I felt I should refer to the current approach that "the attached reflects the views and attitudes that applied at the time ....&c, &c"
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