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Re: Interpreting an Irish Tithe Record
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 10 June 25 15:01 BST (UK) »
The bog was probably used for grazing or hay in the summer but unusable in the winter.  There is only one parcel of pasture on the page.
In Ireland land described as bog was just that- bog or peat, not suitable for crops or even much grazing but mostly used for cutting peats used for fuel in most houses.
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Re: Interpreting an Irish Tithe Record
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 10 June 25 16:36 BST (UK) »
If you are interested in learning more about the Irish tithes, a useful source is Dr William Roulston’s book “Researching farming Ancestors in Ireland.” Chapter 6.1 covers tithes. 

Between 1735 and the 1820s pasture was exempt. At that point a composite method of calculating tithes was slowly introduced, and pasture was then included. (Roulston p 106).

In most cases the tithes are in Irish acres which are bigger than statute acres. Occasionally in Ulster they were in Scottish Cunningham acres. (Roulston  p 108).
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Re: Interpreting an Irish Tithe Record
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 10 June 25 22:31 BST (UK) »
The example shows arable described as poor, arable, good, fine (or prime) - giving four grades.  The bog was probably used for grazing or hay in the summer but unusable in the winter.  There is only one parcel of pasture on the page.

I think the point was whether these classes or quality of land were described by figures ie 1-4.  My post was to say that I had never seen them described by figures.....written descriptors yes but numerical no. 

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Re: Interpreting an Irish Tithe Record
« Reply #12 on: Friday 25 July 25 05:31 BST (UK) »
Thanks to all for the info!

One more if anyone can:

Can anyone interpret the handwritten text at the top right of the attached.
Clearly the tithe to be paid is 17s 6.25p and this is split into two equal payments.
Trying to workout if the payments are to two separate entities or two payments spread across the year.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Interpreting an Irish Tithe Record
« Reply #13 on: Friday 25 July 25 05:35 BST (UK) »
Two separate people.
- The vicar, and
- The impropriator. That is the lay owner of (some of) the tythes

In this particular case, it says that they each claim half of the total.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Interpreting an Irish Tithe Record
« Reply #14 on: Friday 25 July 25 05:51 BST (UK) »
For the record:

Vicarial Claim

Impropriate Claim


As Wexflyer has said, Impropriate as an adjective means:

Of ecclesiastical property: placed under the control or management of a layperson.

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Re: Interpreting an Irish Tithe Record
« Reply #15 on: Friday 25 July 25 09:20 BST (UK) »
You guys are the best!
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Re: Interpreting an Irish Tithe Record
« Reply #16 on: Friday 25 July 25 09:26 BST (UK) »
Interesting to see that because of the division between two claimants it was necessary to invoke the half-farthing (the pennies are not “p”, they are “d”)
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