Author Topic: 1815 --Births, Marriages, Deaths -- Joannis Melville, John Melville, John Melvin  (Read 167 times)

Offline Lianemarie

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I am looking for birth information in Connaught Bridge Kildare. This ancestor is my "brick wall" so I'm trying to locate his parents' names.

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You don't mention religion, or where you found mention of this John Melville as from Connaught Bridge.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Thank you so much for your quick response!

The family tree I created is on Ancestry and I previously had an Irish genealogist helping me try to break through my John Melvin "brick wall."

I have a Family Search ID number documenting his birth. But I don't know how to "search by ID" in that software. (I do have an account and have read the help info. So, I know all about the function of an ID. But none of the examples shows how to search by ID.)

From the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915, I do have John Melville's marriage record to Mary Money, which took place in Kiltullagh, Ireland on 30 April 1844. Also in Kiltullagh, documentation for birth of 2 Irish born children (all from Family Search.) Shortly thereafter they immigrated to America.


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So, no actual trace of a John Melville from Connaught Bridge?

I would say that if there was such a chap, he was highly unlikely to be the same fellow who married Mary Money in Kiltullagh. Too far apart. How would they have met?
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area


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I'm so appreciative for all your input. Please bear with me as I've never used a message board before. The big thing is I can’t figure out to individually reply to posts when there are multiple following each vs reply button for only the latest.

Part of the confusion is the Irish source records have a variety of names as I've found the source documentation that ties to other information we know. (All consistently John Melvin from Immigration records and US records.) I have documented the persons in the John Melvin Tree from the present all the way back to the oldest John Melvin that I'm for your help on now.

My source for John's birth in Connaught Bridge comes from Family Search ID #LVMN-P43. It would be awesome to find him in a place in Galway nearby. Then hopefully I could find his parents. My hesitation comes from family lore that the Melvins originally came from Scotland, and the Celtic translation was Ó Maoil Mhín. This came from my deceased husband who first learned back in the 1960s - 1970s. (Long before there was an internet.) Immigration and all US census records consistently list his birthplace as "Connaught Ireland." Once we found the information above and I learned his birthplace was Connaught Bridge, I have been trying to work back from there. Perhaps they were originally from Northern Ireland immigrated south with him arriving in Galway? I've not had any luck with that path.

Likewise we had their marriage from a Family Search record. However, the transcription showed the names as John Melville and Mary Money. The link you sent indicates this error may have sent me in the wrong direction, but witness Peter Maney affirms the correct name is Mary Maney.

I’ve made my Ancestry John MELVIN Family Tree public so you can see my research.

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Family Search isn't know for getting placenames correct, I think the term Connaught is leading you astray.
Connaught is a Provence and Galway is in Connaught.
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-land-divisions.html

Connaught Bridge is the name of a bridge over the Grand Canal, it's not a place as such, it's in the townland of Newtown.
https://www.townlands.ie/kildare/south-naas/killashee/ladytown/newland-north/
 https://maps.app.goo.gl/TcG2dpuQUVrRCVmB9

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Family Search isn't know for getting placenames correct, I think the term Connaught is leading you astray.
Connaught is a Provence and Galway is in Connaught.
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-land-divisions.html

Connaught Bridge is the name of a bridge over the Grand Canal, it's not a place as such, it's in the townland of Newtown.
https://www.townlands.ie/kildare/south-naas/killashee/ladytown/newland-north/
 https://maps.app.goo.gl/TcG2dpuQUVrRCVmB9

I agree entirely.

On FamilySearch there is a facility to locate people in family trees usng their "Ancestor ID" numbers. So, using the number LVMN-P43 provided by Lianemarie one can locate the following entry for "Irish John Melvin"
https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/tree/results?q.personId=LVMN-P43

As you can see, while it says he was born in Connaught Bridge, Kildare, there is no source for this assertion.

As Sinann says, this is almost certainly an error, due to confusing Connaught (the province) with Connaught Bridge (a bridge).
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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As it is reasonably clear that John was NOT from Kildare, all my future posts will be to the thread in the Galway sub-forum.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Just to add to that Connaught Bridge is in Newtown North which is in the R.C. Parish of Newbridge.
Newbridge Parish baptisms stop in 1795 and begin again 1820 so no circa 1815 baptisms.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0721?locale=en