William Collins, Cant find birth

[TomGad]

Hi
Yes I can see the baptism.
There is a brother Benjamin baptised at Abbots Morton 6.5.1826 ,buried 24.4.1827.
Mom Sarah buried 12.6.1827 age 42.
Other Collins in the village Thomas Collins bapt 8.9. 1816 at Bloxham to William and Elizabeth Collins and went on to marry Charlotte Johns.

A possible baptism for Sarah to William and Elizabeth 8.6.1784  at Banbury so I can see the connection.
William Collins marries Jane Nevill Dec 1851 at Oxford.And that's the record we need .Hopefully it will have a father or witnesses. There doesn't seem to be  a copy online.
Alternatively where is he in 1841?
In 1851 he is a lodger in Oxford .William is aged 26 and is in the Army 23rd Batt.
His military record (not his attestation but the only one I can find) says he is
William Collins 18 6ft 4 3/4 fair complexion grey hair light eyes labourer born Abbots Morton  who signed up 10th June 1843 for 6 years.
So was he with family in 1841?

Ciderdrinker

So you are saying the Sarah born to William and Elizabeth is the mum of the William I am trying to find the birth of?

[TomGad]

Hi
Yes I can see the baptism.
There is a brother Benjamin baptised at Abbots Morton 6.5.1826 ,buried 24.4.1827.
Mom Sarah buried 12.6.1827 age 42.
Other Collins in the village Thomas Collins bapt 8.9. 1816 at Bloxham to William and Elizabeth Collins and went on to marry Charlotte Johns.

A possible baptism for Sarah to William and Elizabeth 8.6.1784  at Banbury so I can see the connection.
William Collins marries Jane Nevill Dec 1851 at Oxford.And that's the record we need .Hopefully it will have a father or witnesses. There doesn't seem to be  a copy online.
Alternatively where is he in 1841?
In 1851 he is a lodger in Oxford .William is aged 26 and is in the Army 23rd Batt.
His military record (not his attestation but the only one I can find) says he is
William Collins 18 6ft 4 3/4 fair complexion grey hair light eyes labourer born Abbots Morton  who signed up 10th June 1843 for 6 years.
So was he with family in 1841?

Ciderdrinker

Can somebody find a copy of Jane Nevill’s marriage?

[CaroleW]

Can somebody find a copy of Jane Nevill’s marriage?

It's not online so you need to buy a copy

[TomGad]

bapt. 14th Jan 1821 at Bloxham? Is this William?

[trish1120]

Only the M/C will help with this.

Bloxham is a fair distance from Abbots Morton though.

EDIT

No that Bloxham William is not yours;

Bloxham William is on 1861/1871/1881 Census married to Alice

Image of Marriage to Alice MUMFORD 9 Nov. 1848 Pillerton Hersey, Warwickshire.Name as Collings, Father WILLIAM a Labourer
Banns called at Bloxham, William of Bloxham, Alice of Pillerton, Warwickshire.

[TomGad]

Only the M/C will help with this.

Bloxham is a fair distance from Abbots Morton though.

EDIT

No that Bloxham William is not yours;

Bloxham William is on 1861/1871/1881 Census married to Alice

Image of Marriage to Alice MUMFORD 9 Nov. 1848 Pillerton Hersey, Warwickshire.Name as Collings, Father WILLIAM a Labourer
Banns called at Bloxham, William of Bloxham, Alice of Pillerton, Warwickshire.

So then, I beg the question. which is the correct Will?

[TomGad]

So let’s run down what I do know. William Collins and Jane Nevill are 100% my 4x great grandparents. In 1881 they are at the Coach and Horses Yard with their children Alfred, Emily and Ada. My 3x great grandmother Jane had already moved out by this point. On that census it states William was born in Abbots Morton in about 1820. So my William was definitely born in Abbots Morton and at some point must have moved down to Oxford. This is all the confirmed information I have as of current.

[trish1120]

As already said you need to purchase the M/C to Jane.

But that may not even help if he has a false Fathers name on the M/C if he was illegitimate and the Son of Sarah.

That is the only William Collins born c 1821 Abbots Morton that has been found.

1851 he is born c 1826 so 1823 baptism is close.