William Collins, Cant find birth

[TomGad]

I believe he was born in 1821 to his parents William Collins and Elizabeth Woodward. All the census’ say William was born in Abbots Morton but I cannot find anything that appears to be correct. Can somebody help me and see if they can find anything?

[KGarrad]

You aren't going to find a birth, as it was pre Civil Registration.
So you are looking for a baptism.

Not everyone was baptised, or baptised as a child.
Some religious denominations only believe in adult baptisms.

[wivenhoe]

Where and when was he married?. Can you list all the information on the marriage certificate.

[CaroleW]

He's 26 & unmarried in 1851 - birthyear 1825 - living in Oxfordshire

1861 he's 35 living in Oxfordshire & married to Jane nee Nevill so birthyear 1826

How have you linked him to parents William & Elizabeth nee Woodward

What is his fathers name & occ on his marriage cert?  Marriage is on freebmd Dec qtr 1851 Oxford

From FS

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1JK-LXL?lang=en

[trish1120]

There is a William COLLINS bapt 27 Apr 1823 St Peter Abbots Morton
Mother SARAH
Illegitimate son. Pauper.

Is this him in Oxfordshire 1861?
William Collins 35 Head born Abbots Morton, Worcestershire
Jane Collins 30 Wife
Sarah A Collins 8 Daughter
Elizabeth Esther Collins 6 Daughter
Thomas William Collins 4 Son

[trish1120]

Sarah also bapt a Benjamin 06 May 1826, buried 24 Apr 1827 infant

She was possibly buried 12 Jun 1827 age 42

[maddys52]

In the 1851 census he is a private in the 23rd (I think) regiment. Have you found any enlistment details or military records for him?

[TomGad]

There is a William COLLINS bapt 27 Apr 1823 St Peter Abbots Morton
Mother SARAH
Illegitimate son. Pauper.

Is this him in Oxfordshire 1861?
William Collins 35 Head born Abbots Morton, Worcestershire
Jane Collins 30 Wife
Sarah A Collins 8 Daughter
Elizabeth Esther Collins 6 Daughter
Thomas William Collins 4 Son

That would be him in 1861. I cant remember how I linked William and Elizabeth as his parents but there would have been a reason. So now I am ultimately confused

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Yes I can see the baptism.
There is a brother Benjamin baptised at Abbots Morton 6.5.1826 ,buried 24.4.1827.
Mom Sarah buried 12.6.1827 age 42.
Other Collins in the village Thomas Collins bapt 8.9. 1816 at Bloxham to William and Elizabeth Collins and went on to marry Charlotte Johns.

A possible baptism for Sarah to William and Elizabeth 8.6.1784  at Banbury so I can see the connection.
William Collins marries Jane Nevill Dec 1851 at Oxford.And that's the record we need .Hopefully it will have a father or witnesses. There doesn't seem to be  a copy online.
Alternatively where is he in 1841?
In 1851 he is a lodger in Oxford .William is aged 26 and is in the Army 23rd Batt.
His military record (not his attestation but the only one I can find) says he is
William Collins 18 6ft 4 3/4 fair complexion grey hair light eyes labourer born Abbots Morton  who signed up 10th June 1843 for 6 years.
So was he with family in 1841?

Ciderdrinker