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Rose Craze (Solomon)(Simmons)+ Bessie Solomon. Mark Simmons
« on: Wednesday 04 June 25 13:08 BST (UK) »
Rose(Rosie) Craze was born on the 3rd May 1907. In 1923 she married Henry Solomon. They had two children Elisha Edward Solomon born 1925 and Bessie Solomon born in 1927. Shortly after this they split up.  At some stage she met Mark Simmons and lived with him, but they never married. They had children, who I know about. It appears she changed her surname to Simmons. I am not sure whether this was by deed poll or she just assumed his surname.
Rose died October 27th 1950 and she was buried in Hoop Lane Cemetery. The gravestone shows that her surname was Simmons. However Bessie Solomon objected to the name Simmons being used, and brought a case in the High Court in 1954 because of "two lies" on the Gravestone. She wanted the name Solomon to be used.The case made the National Press in England and Australia. I understand that Edward Solomon died in 1952 following an accident at Little Venice. The 1939 Register shows Mark and Rose and 1 closed record living in Brighton. Mark Simmons died in 1977 and I expected to find his grave next to Rose but this was not the case.
I would appreciate help with the following
1. What happened to Bessie after the court case as I cannot find out whether she married or when she died. At the time of the Court case she was living in Maida Vale
2. Mark Simmons death was recorded in St Marylebone, but I cannot find out where he was buried
Any help would be appreciated
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Re: Rose Craze (Solomon)(Simmons)+ Bessie Solomon. Mark Simmons
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 June 25 14:33 BST (UK) »
A possibility
London Gazette
Solomon Bessie otherwise Betty died 1st September 1981 - Spinster
19 Dudley Ct, London W1

This entry also appears on the probate index



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Re: Rose Craze (Solomon)(Simmons)+ Bessie Solomon. Mark Simmons
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 June 25 15:46 BST (UK) »
UK and Ireland, Find a Grave® Index, 1300s-Current
Name: Mark Simmons
Death Date: 23 Jun 1977
Cemetery: Bushey Jewish Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Bushey, Watford Borough, Hertfordshire, England

P.S. According to trees, the above Mark married Rosina A Young (or Frauenglass or Beckman) in 1951

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Re: Rose Craze (Solomon)(Simmons)+ Bessie Solomon. Mark Simmons
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 04 June 25 15:52 BST (UK) »
The betty Solomon who died 1981 had a dob of 22.8.1926. She appears on 1939 war register with the same dob as “ at school” in Eastbourne. The  Solomon/craze birth was registered jq
1927

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Re: Rose Craze (Solomon)(Simmons)+ Bessie Solomon. Mark Simmons
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 04 June 25 17:38 BST (UK) »
The person living with Mark and Rose in 1939 does not appear to be Bessie/Betty
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Re: Rose Craze (Solomon)(Simmons)+ Bessie Solomon. Mark Simmons
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 04 June 25 18:15 BST (UK) »
Hi all
Many thanks for your replies
Rosie99. I am 99% certain that deleted entry in 1939 register was their daughter Alicia. I have seen the probate notice., but there does not appear to be a death cert that i can  apply for . nor can i find  a will or probate to apply for.
DCB. Rosina Beckman married Mark Simmons in 1951. The gravestone shows wife Mamie, son Michael and daughter Thelma. cant seem to find any further information. is Rosina  Mamie. The death date looks ok but is it the right Mark Simmons. Further investigation needed
Softly Softly. my Bessie Solomon has dob 2nd quarter 1927. So I think this is the wrong person

thanks again for your help
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Re: Rose Craze (Solomon)(Simmons)+ Bessie Solomon. Mark Simmons
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 04 June 25 18:47 BST (UK) »
Where is your Bessie / Betty on the 1939 register
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Re: Rose Craze (Solomon)(Simmons)+ Bessie Solomon. Mark Simmons
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 04 June 25 19:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosie99. Unfortunately I dont know where Bessie is on the 1939 register. Softly Softly suggested Eastbourne but I dont think this is right. In 1954 she  is living in Leith mansions Maida Vale.
I have found on the 1939 register a Henry Solomon living with an Edward Solomon living at 5 Grafton Place Euston. slight discrepancy in Edwards dob. so not sure
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Re: Rose Craze (Solomon)(Simmons)+ Bessie Solomon. Mark Simmons
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 04 June 25 19:26 BST (UK) »
Info only, when mark simmonds married rosina in 1951 she is recorded with 3 surnames. 1,Beckmann,2 young,3 frauenglass.
Birth of a Thelma Maureen frauenglass sq 1933 Finsbury mmm young.

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