1841- 1851 census Shadwell London Thomas HILL

[maddys52]

Have you checked his age given on his previous convictions?

[rodhill]

The newspaper article is wrong Thomas HILL was 22 and Smith 20 in 1845 according to there court records

[rodhill]

PREVIOUS OFFENCES in England
Tried Old Bailey 30 Jan 1843
Stealing a pair of drawers goods of Thomas William BROWN of Ratcliff Hwy
aged 19 confined for 6 months

Tried Old Bailey 18 Sep 1843
stealing 9lbs leaden pipe value 6s goods of William THOMAS of King st Gravel Lane St Georges East
aged 19 Confided for Twelve months

[trish1120]

I looked at a lot of Thomas Hills c 1821 in Middlesex!

I did find this Family.
No Occp for Thomas but Fathers a Painter, Journeyman.
College St, St John Hackney, St John Hackney
William Hill 60 (age could be 40* feint image)
Ann Hill 40
Thomas Hill 17*****
Ann Hill 16
Jane Hill 14
William Hill 12
John Hill 9
Edward Hill 6
James Hill 7
Sarah Hill 1

At this stage cant't see them in 1851 to see if Thomas is still in England

Trish

EDIT not him.

1851 and Ann is widowed.
Thomas living next door with Wife Emma.
M/C confirms his Father as William a Painter

[carolgenealogy1970]

Looks like you’re on the right track with Thomas Hill. There’s no Thomas or Robert Hill in Shadwell in 1841, but a strong lead points to Thomas as a “15”-year-old inmate in the Whitechapel Union Workhouse – remember ages were rounded down, so that could fit an 18-year-old. Also, his family likely lived in Ratcliff (Stepney), not Shadwell proper. No confirmed Robert Hill (~1800) was found in Shadwell in 1841 or 1851 either, but broader searches in Stepney, Limehouse, or Whitechapel might help. You might also try the Tasmanian convict records for more clues on Robert’s occupation or address.

FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org

Tasmanian Names Index: https://stors.tas.gov.au

Hi, would it be possible to find a Thomas HILL born 1822 in the 1841 census for  Shadwell?
Thomas was convicted in 1845 and sentenced to 7 years' transportation. He listed Shadwell as his native place. His occupation was a Painters labourer.
He stated he had an uncle, Robert HILL, at his native place. Would it also be possible to find Robert HILL born abt 1800? In both the 1841 and 1851 censuses, please
Any assistance would be most appreciated
Rod Hill
Tasmania AUS

[rodhill]

Is there any way to check the 1841 census of Workhouse In The East, Old Gravel Lane, St George, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex, England, to see if there is a Thomas Hill listed? or any other Hill's? I have a Robert Hill there, which I think could be Thomas's uncle. Does it give occupations

1841 Census
Name   Robert Hill
Sex   Male
Age   45
Birth Year (Estimated)   1796
Birthplace   Middlesex
Residence Place   Workhouse In The East Old Gravel Lane
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1841
Event Place   Tower Hamlets, Middlesex, England
Event Place (Original)   St George, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex, England
Registration District   St George, East
Household Identifier   107216
Book Number   4
Line Number   8
Page Number   16
Piece/Folio   696/11
Registration Number   HO107

[maddys52]

Robert HILL,  45, pauper labourer, born in county.

There is a Robert HILL of the Workhouse aged 58 buried 28 Jan 1853 at St George.

[maddys52]

A Robert HILL in the Workhouse at St George in the East in 1851, aged 57, labourer, born St George, married.
HO107/1549/260 pg 27

[maddys52]

Possibly this family (all bracketed together) - admitted to the St George Workhouse in 1844:
Robert HILL (1794) - married
Elizabeth HILL (1808) - married
Matilda GREEN (1836) - bastard
Henry GREEN (1839) - bastard
"destitution after being ordered out by Board order".

Matilda and Henry possibly have mother Elizabeth GREEN (1803). They and some other children (eg William - 1838) appear to be in the workhouse at various times.