William James Brown and Mary Elizabeth/Eliza Brown

[Vixen999]

Hi All, not too sure where to put this as it relates to Liverpool but also to Ireland....

I was hoping people out here could help read through my musings around William James Brown born 1865 Liverpool to William Lewis and Catherine Mc Donough and his Wife Mary Eliza/Elizabeth Brown.

I did get the marriage certificate for William James Lewis and his wife Mary E Brown.  Dads are confirmed as William Lewis and William James Brown.

I've struggled somewhat trying to trace the brown family back but have some thoughts on this given the little information I have stumbled across and wondered if what I have found seems to make any sense to anyone out there....it may need confirming with yet more buying of records.

Mary Eliza/Elizabeth Brown born 1900 Liverpool, was the daughter of Michael James Brown 1865 and mother Jane A Roberts 1877.  Michael's mmn on the GRO is spelt Gillfoyl....now we all know the spelling errors that occur with doing family trees....

Im struggling for records but have found the following

Baptism record in latin

Name   Michael Jacobus Brown
Age   0
Birth Date   22 Mar 1865
Baptism Date   2 Apr 1865
Baptism Place   St Mary's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father   Jacobi Brown
Mother   Eliza Gilfoy

So is his parents Eliza Gilfoy and James Brown?

Birth Reg on GRO

Name   Michael James Brown
Registration Date   1865
Quarter of the Year   Apr-May-Jun
Registration Place   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Volume   8b
Page   113
mmn spelt Gillfoyl

1881 census where he may be down as grandson to Michael Gilfoil who was born in Ireland.  There is Irish connections in the family I am doing the tree for, James Gilfoy/Gillfoyl is listed but no mother?  But he's down as unmarried.

Name   Michael Brown
Age   16
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1865
Relationship to Head   Grandson
Gender   Male
Where born   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish   Liverpool
County/Island   Lancashire
Country   England
Street Address   3 Court Cheapside
Occupation   Errand Boy
Registration District   Liverpool
Sub registration district   Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel   8
Neighbors   View others on page
Piece   3610
Folio   8
Page number   10
Household members
Name   Age
Michael Gilfoil   54
Mary Gilfoil   38
Michael Brown   16
Catherine Brown   13
James Gilfoil   28
John Taylor   28
Francis Healy   44
Timothy Heyes   25

two doors away is a Mary Callagher

On the assumption that I may have been on the right track I searched the census's for Michael Brown....I found a daughter Eliza and son James on the 1861 census

Name   Eliza Gilfoy
Gender   Female
Age   19
Relation   Daughter
Estimated Birth Year   1842
Father's Name   Michael Gilfoy
Mother's Name   Mary Gilfoy
Where born   Ireland
Civil parish   Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish   St George
Town   Manchester
County/Island   Lancashire
Country   England
Registration District   Manchester
Sub-registration district   St George
ED, institution, or vessel   2
Neighbors   View others on page
Household schedule number   14
Piece   2955
Folio   33
Page number   3
Household members
Name   Age
Michael Gilfoy   40
Mary Gilfoy   38
James Gilfoy   16
Eliza Gilfoy   19
Thomas Burk   17
Mary Calligan   20
They've mispelt Callagher but Mary is also there on this census

The last record I can find for William James Brown is 1901 census

Name   Michael Brown
Age   35
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1866
Relation to Head   Head
Gender   Male
Spouse   Jane A Brown
Birth Place   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish   Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish   Christchurch
County/Island   Lancashire
Country   England
Registration District   Liverpool
Sub-registration district   Islington
ED, institution, or vessel   13
Neighbors   View others on page
Piece   3423
Folio   122
Page number   40
Household schedule number   298
Household members
Name   Age
Michael Brown   35
Jane A Brown   24
Margaret A Brown   3
Mary E Brown   8/12

I know by 1921 William James was deceased as this was entered on the marriage certificate of his daughter Mary Eliza Brown who married William John Lewis.

I cant seem to find records that well right now for either families but do you think I may be on the right track with regards this family

Havent got anywhere yet with the Gilfoy/Gillfoyle/Gillfoyl side yet.
 

[gc1]

Could this be him on Ancestry in 1907 as you said you had him in 1901 but not 1921???

Name    Michael James Brown
Age    39
Estimated Birth Year    abt 1868
Registration Quarter    Oct-Nov-Dec
Death Registration Place    Liverpool, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Death Date    Dec 1907
Inferred Death Place    Lancashire, United Kingdom
Volume    8b
Page    53

[Vixen999]

@gc1 yes that could be him.  I found a 1911 census for what I  believe is Jane and children and the last child was born 1905 -    BROWN, JAMES       ROBERTS 
GRO Reference: 1905  S Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 67.  Jane is down as widowed in 1911 so that would make sense the death record you found.  Thank you

Name   James Brown
Age in 1911   5
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1906
Relation to Head   Son
Gender   Male
Birth Place   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish   Liverpool
County/Island   Lancashire
Country   England
Street Address   22 Lower Milk St
Registration District Number   453
Sub-registration district   Exchange
ED, institution, or vessel   21
Piece   22170
Household members
Name   Age
Jane Brown   35
Margaret Brown   13
Mary Brown   11
Jane Brown   9
James Brown   5

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Here's another spelling of Eliza's surname for you on the baptism of Michael's sister, who is with him with their maternal grandfather on 1881

Catharina Brown
Birth    3 Aug 1868
Baptism    9 Aug 1868, St Mary's, Liverpool,
Father    Jacobi Brown
Mother    Eliza Gillfoin

You mentioned "1881 census where he may be down as grandson to Michael Gilfoil who was born in Ireland.  There is Irish connections in the family I am doing the tree for, James Gilfoy/Gillfoyl is listed but no mother?  But he's down as unmarried."

James Gilfoy would be Eliza's brother, and Michael's uncle, so quite possible he's unmarried. Michael's father is James Brown

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I note from 1871 there's another Brown grandchild with Michael Gilfoy - Mary E b Manchester c 1866. She's potentially n a home in Manchester in 1871.

So we may need to cast our net a little wider. I wouldn't be surprised if one or both parents had died by 1871

[Vixen999]

@Mabel Bagshawe  I did  notice the grandchild in the home Mary E Brown as you mentioned.  I did wonder as to why she was in a childrens home.  I haven't been able to find anything on Eliza Gilfoy/Gillfoyl or however its supposed to be spelt as of yet or her origins.

[Vixen999]

Regarding Jane A Roberts partner of Michael J Brown b. 1865, I cant find no marriage record so presume children born out of wedlock.  I have managed to find a birth reg for Mary Eliza, Margaret Ann and James brown all down on the 1911 census with Jane, but the daughter Jane born around 1902 I cannot find any record for.  However, there is a record for an Alice Brown mmn Roberts.  However Alice has no middle name of Jane...so confusing