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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 03 June 25 09:58 BST (UK) »
Just to add, I also found a couple of references to "The Liberty" in newspapers.

The first was a death notice for a Joseph Whelan who died much more recently in 1998 and the exact reference was:

WHELAN (The Liberty), Sentryhill, Borris-in-Ossory, Co. Laois

The second was much older, a report about a Special Sessions at Borris-in-Ossory in the Midlands County Advertiser of 10 May 1883 where it says "Mr Mara said Mr Delany was charged with intimidating John Deavy, a servant in the employment of Mrs Banks, who resides near Borris-in-Ossory. Mrs Banks directed Deavy to go with her horses to a farm known as The Liberty, Sentry Hill, and to plough it for her daughter, Mrs Delany."

I wondered if this was a farm / estate with lands possibly covering more than one townland and possibly with several houses let on it, but I can't find anything thus far to support that.

Added: Another newspaper covering that 1883 item above has the reference "... to plough the land known as The Liberties at Sentry Hill ..."


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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 03 June 25 11:20 BST (UK) »
Which brings it all back to my original post ... you have answered my query. Thank you very much.
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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 03 June 25 15:56 BST (UK) »
The FamilySearch Catalogue has the "Valuation Revision Books" for the area I'm concerned with. See the screenshots below. They are available on microfilm. Does this mean I can view them by going to a LDS Library near me? (never done this before).

Yes. Spent many long hours looking at such 20-30 years ago.
BUT - I believe the LDS  no longer distribute on microfilm, so if not already there (at a local FHC), you can't get on microfilm. So can they be viewed online at LDS FHCs?

Also, the LDS copies are black and white, which loses some of the important information in the colored original.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 03 June 25 16:04 BST (UK) »
An important point:
 The NLI copies of the Borris-In-Ossory parish registers start in 1840 - meaning this is also when the Ancestry material start. However, the Aghaboe parish registers go back to 1794/95 and the
Phelans seem to appear in both parishes.

Earliest Phelan reference with Liberty address that I see is 1823.
Earliest "  ".. with Sentryhill " is 1808.
Earlist "  " .. with Centryhill " is 1811.


BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area


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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 03 June 25 19:48 BST (UK) »
The amusing item I had spotted was -
New Ross Standard, 28 Oct 1899

There's an Elizabeth Brophy, age 30, at Lower Borris, Parish of Clooneygoose.

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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 03 June 25 21:10 BST (UK) »
Borris is a different place to Borris in Ossory though. Different county.

As to 'Liberty' if you pick other entries from the baptismal registers and follow the children through, most end up using Sentry Hill as an address.
Many of the families are still there in 1901: https://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Borris_in_Ossory/Sentry_Hill/

Coffey, Cummins [Rathfalla, Tipperary], Cummins [Skirke, Laois], Curran, Dillon [Clare], Fogarty [Garran, Laois/Tipp], Hughes, Keshan (Keeshan), Loughman [Harristown and Killadooley, Laois], Mallon [Armagh], Malone, Markham [Caherkine, Clare], McKeon(e) [Sligo/Kilkenny/Waterford], McNamara, Meagher, Prescott [Kilkenny/Waterford/Wexford?], Rafferty, Ryan, Sullivan, Tobin
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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 03 June 25 21:54 BST (UK) »
Three mentions in Newspapers
Leinster Express 1883 “he went to plough the lands called ‘The Liberty’ at Sentry Hill”

Same court case Leinster Leader “to plough the lands called ‘The Liberties’ at Sentry Hill outside the town.

Laois Nationalists 2012 “Paddy was born in 1923 in the Liberties, now known as Sentry Hill, only a stones throw from the hurling field in Borris in Ossory”



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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 03 June 25 22:56 BST (UK) »
As far as I can tell, the present day Catholic parish of Borris-In-Ossory was originally part of the parish of Aghaboe. Borris seems to have been split off as a separate parish ca. 1840, meaning that records previous to that date are to be found under Aghaboe.

Bottom line is that records of both parishes need to be looked at - I see baptism for Phelans of Liberty in Aghaboe parish records thru 1851.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area