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Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« on: Sunday 01 June 25 05:34 BST (UK) »
Borris-in-Ossory RC parish has numerous baptisms in c1850's/1860's with the parents' abode entered as "Liberty". Father's names include John Monaghan, Kyran Phelan, Andrew Phelan - who all had a connection with Sentryhill townland in Aghaboe civil parish. Does anyone know what Liberty actually was - a farm?, a village?, a local name for Sentryhill?
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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 01 June 25 06:54 BST (UK) »
For what its worth, Borris-in-Ossory RC Baptisms [Microfilm 05014 / 11] also has numerous abodes at a place named "VAGÉ", also not found. Not relevant to my query about "LIBERTY" but might perhaps give a clue as to how these abode placenames were being informed.

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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 01 June 25 07:11 BST (UK) »
Vage means no address - itinerant.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 01 June 25 07:17 BST (UK) »
Borris-in-Ossory RC parish has numerous baptisms in c1850's/1860's with the parents' abode entered as "Liberty". Father's names include John Monaghan, Kyran Phelan, Andrew Phelan - who all had a connection with Sentryhill townland in Aghaboe civil parish. Does anyone know what Liberty actually was - a farm?, a village?, a local name for Sentryhill?
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Liberty is another description for the townparks.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area


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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 01 June 25 09:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks Wexflyer.
Townparks townland lays to the north & south of the town of Borris-in-Ossory, with the southern portion adjoining Sentryhill, so the area fits nicely.
I've found some post-1864 births (for both Monohan & Phelan/Whelan) for which the baptisms give the abode as "Liberty" but the relevant birth regn's give the abode as "Touereigh". Are you aware of any portion of Townparks which might go by that name? I've looked at the Griffith Valn map but it doesn't show any sub-townlands or farm names. Perhaps you know of other historical maps worth looking at?
I took Touereigh as being a rendering of Tooreagh townland in Aghaboe cp but on reflection it's too far away from the Townparks to be regarded as the "same" abode.

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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 01 June 25 17:29 BST (UK) »
Isn't Tooreagh an exclave of Aghaboe? And in probably a different local registration district from Borris-In-Ossory? It could be in a different Catholic parish also - Rathdowney? In which case baptisms should not be in Boris parish register. [Note - I am not familiar with the locality, just going by maps].
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #6 on: Monday 02 June 25 00:30 BST (UK) »
Yes, that's why I now think Tooreagh townland isn't the "Touereigh" stated in the birth regns.

Below are some of the Birth regns (all Donaghmore District), the Baptism records for which give the parents' residences as Liberty.

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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 June 25 04:44 BST (UK) »
When was Griffith's Valuation for the area published?
Can it shed light on where these families were living (officially).

I would also point out that it was not unknown for a family to be known as of location X, sometimes for hundreds of years, but officially, per the OS, they lived in location Y.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Liberty, a place? in Co Laois
« Reply #8 on: Monday 02 June 25 12:08 BST (UK) »
I also am not familiar with the area but think things might have gotten mixed up here.

You have baptisms which mention "Liberty" yet the children's births record the residence as Touereigh (Donaghmore registration district, subdistrict Borris in Ossory).
There is a townland listed in Seanruad as Tooreagh in Aghaboe civil parish (in Donaghmore Poor Law Union/Registration District). This is in the correct area for those birth registrations (and I can find no other townland in all of Co.Laois that comes even close to Touereigh).
Tooreagh townland-
https://www.townlands.ie/laois/clarmallagh/aghaboe/grantstown/tooreagh/

I think this is what has caused some of the confusion-
Liberty is another description for the townparks.

It's not uncommon in rural Ireland to find places which are not townlands listed in church records.
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