Pages: [1]

Author Topic: John Stephens - St Gluvias, Penryn  (Read 142 times)

Offline Mamspice

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 33
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
John Stephens - St Gluvias, Penryn
« on: Saturday 31 May 25 21:26 BST (UK) »
Hi guys, me again!

Doing my husbands family tree I have hit a wall. His 3x great grandfather Richard Stephens, it appears his father is John. Now I'm getting hits for John being born in 1754 which is ok, but he wasn't married until 1797 aged 42. Now I know it isn't unheard of but "normally" they marry a lot younger. The thing is, I can't find anything on him to suggest a previous marriage. The marriage record isn't much help, there's no age, fathers name or status on it. HELP!!

Offline goldie61

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,860
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John Stephens - St Gluvias, Penryn
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 01 June 25 00:21 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Mamspice on Saturday 31 May 25 21:26 BST (UK)

His 3x great grandfather Richard Stephens, it appears his father is John. Now I'm getting hits for John being born in 1754 but he wasn't married until 1797 aged 42.

You seem to be unsure about several points here.

"It appears his father is John".
What evidence do you have for this?
Do you have a birthdate for Richard?
Did John senior leave a will naming Richard as his son?

"getting hits for John born in 1754".
What do you mean? Where have you got his information from?
If it's from trees on Ancetry or similar, you should never take that as evidence.
You should do your own thorough research and obtain evidence.

Cornwall Online parish clerks is a great site for information.

There are 9 records of marriages of a John Stephen in St Gluvias between 1766 and 1797. (some are the same marriage with a record from the parish register, and then another from the BTs or other source).
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/marriages/index.php?year_from=1750&year_to=1800&parish=Gluvias%2C+St.&forename1=john&surname1=stephens&multiname=0&forename2=&surname2=&forename3=&surname3=&t=marriages&bf=Search

There are 10 records for the burial of a John Stephens at St Gluvias between 1797 and 1850.
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/burials/index.php?year_from=1797&year_to=1850&parish=Gluvias%2C+St.&forename1=john+&surname1=Stephens&t=burials&bf=Search

There were obviously many Stephens families in the area.
and this is just looking at St Gluvias.
There is always a possibility the people you are looking for came from elsewhere - either in Cornwall or the whole of England.
It may take some time and a lot of searching to find exact evidence to put the pieces of this jigsaw together.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

Offline Neale1961

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,497
    • View Profile
Re: John Stephens - St Gluvias, Penryn
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 01 June 25 00:23 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Mamspice on Saturday 31 May 25 21:26 BST (UK)
...... it appears his father is John.

Where does this information come from?

Quote from: Mamspice on Saturday 31 May 25 21:26 BST (UK)
.......... but he wasn't married until 1797 aged 42.


Who do he marry?       Where did he marry?        More information is needed.
Was it the marriage in Falmouth to Mary Parkin?
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

Offline osprey

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,446
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John Stephens - St Gluvias, Penryn
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 01 June 25 19:28 BST (UK) »
possibly this marriage in St Gluvias, John living Penryn

https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=1993363

Richard baptised 18 Jan 1807 aged 4 weeks
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=6134216

Only baptism to couple from 1813 or later & so showing occupation is this one showing John as gardener
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=7286658 

1841 census with possible brother John Curtis in the household, also a gardener
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQYR-Z1G?lang=en

Burial of Christian aged 84 in 1856 so she should be on 1851 census
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=5459860

1851 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKJ-J4T?lang=en

Working from that age, possible baptism in 1772
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=7282626

Possible burials for John
 https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=4648602 in 1831 aged 73

https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=5458583 in 1840 aged 71

If he is the one from 1831, he left a will which isn't online, only available from archives
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=wills_index&id=25704

https://kresenkernow.org/our-collections/copies-and-search-services/

If he is the burial from 1840, possibly this baptism in 1771 & so similar age to Christian
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=7282583


Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

Offline trish1120

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 28,870
  • Happy me
    • View Profile
Re: John Stephens - St Gluvias, Penryn
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 June 25 11:00 BST (UK) »
FreeREG has 8 children to John/Christian bapt 1798-1816

Possible Marriage of Sarah HOSKING/John STEPHENS 11 Dec 1766 St Gluvias the Martyr
8 bapts to them 1767-1782

+ a lot of bapts to RICHARD/ANNE Curtis 1761-1776
under various spellings Courties/Curtice/Curtis/Corties etc
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)
Pages: [1]