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Re: How old is this building?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 31 May 25 13:55 BST (UK) »
So now I’m confused.

This is an overlay view with the 1891 Town Plan on top and a satellite view underneath. I must admit that I cannot convince myself that this is the same building.

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19.5&lat=53.40912&lon=-2.97750&layers=117746211&b=GoogleSat&o=59
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Re: How old is this building?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 31 May 25 15:41 BST (UK) »
How strange. It looks like London Road was made narrower at some point.
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Re: How old is this building?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 31 May 25 15:42 BST (UK) »
I have to agree it looks odd. However the town plan and satellite image are misaligned.  Once you take that into account the present day building has the same frontage as numbers 28, 30 and 32 on the town plan - even the windows match up. The Ordnance Survey sheet Liverpool - Lancashire CVI.10.24 you linked to is clearly marked as surveyed in 1890 and seems to match the 1890 town plan, but the layout of the building (number 32) adjacent to Hothan Street is much shorter today. Maybe the result of WW2 bomb damage?  The street . below seems to confirm this. The brickwork is much newer than on the back of the adjacent (number 30?) building

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Re: How old is this building?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 31 May 25 15:59 BST (UK) »
Just in case anyone doubts that the satellite image and the town plan are misaligned, look further South to the rail tracks in Lime Street station


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Re: How old is this building?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 31 May 25 16:34 BST (UK) »
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split across two maps
Re Reply #8, actually, you can now get the 1891 Town Plan as a continuous layer, via the Georeferenced Maps viewer.  It is here:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18.0&lat=53.40907&lon=-2.97739&layers=117746211&b=ESRIWorld&o=100

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Re: How old is this building?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 31 May 25 16:56 BST (UK) »
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the layout of the building (number 32) adjacent to Hothan Street is much shorter today

I'm wondering whether the developers of the adjacent office building purchased and demolished that part of 32 in order to create the entrance to the new building.
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Re: How old is this building?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 31 May 25 17:17 BST (UK) »
There appears to be a blocked out window.

Window tax was introduced in England and Wales in 1696. It was repealed in 1851. Suggests the building was built before 1851.

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Re: How old is this building?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 31 May 25 17:26 BST (UK) »
Yes, I think that back view in reply #11 explains why the plan looks wrong, even with the misalignment.
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Re: How old is this building?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 31 May 25 19:27 BST (UK) »
There appears to be a blocked out window.
Window tax was introduced in England and Wales in 1696. It was repealed in 1851. Suggests the building was built before 1851.
We know from the map that AlanBoyd posted earlier, surveyed in 1848, that the previous structure was the Blind Indigent Schools which the current Nos 28, 30 and 32 might have formed part of, probably the main entrance to the School. However by the 1851 census number 32 was a separate, self contained dwelling. The occupants were Morgan Radcliffe 48 a ship's carpenter, his wife, daughter, son, an assistant and an apprentice. I haven't been able to find the 1861 occupant, but by 1871 John Lloyd aged 41 Draper plus 13 draper's assistants or domestic staff are occupying 32 London Road and Joseph Naylor and family are at number 30, tying in with the directory entries Shaun posted. In 1861 John Lloyd 31 Draper's Assistant and his wife Ellen were living at 121 Park Road, West Derby.