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Ellen Pulford, birth of her son whilst in service- UNKNOWN father
« on: Wednesday 28 May 25 17:31 BST (UK) »
Hello! I was just wondering if anyone was aware of an Ellen Pulford born 1868 in Bleasby Nottinghamshire. I'm currently researching my grandmother's ancestry and we have completely hit a brick wall in trying to find out who her Grandfather's ( Frank Harold Pulford) father was. It was well known in the family that he was born out of wedlock and his father was unknown, however, we had hoped to track down a few possibilities through looking at the inhabitants at the places she had worked as a domestic servant. After filing through censuses we concluded that the he must have been conceived during her time in Shelford. Now in the place she resided there were three males, a Samuel Barker who was the farmer and two young 17 year old lads, Isaac Fisher and Charles Blundy. Samuel was 31 I believe and single so he seems probably. They also resided next to the vicarage, hence the plot thickens. It was always rumoured within the family to either be the vicar or the stable boy, which finally made sense when we connected the dots. Reverend Edward John Morse was the only one there at the time. Does anyone else have any links to these individuals? Does anyone else recall any family scandals in regards to these people? Please let me know. I do have a picture of Frank Harold Pulford, Ellen's son to use in comparison. It would be useful even to compare to relatives of the individuals i named to identify any resemblances.

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Re: Ellen Pulford, birth of her son whilst in service- UNKNOWN father
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 June 25 13:40 BST (UK) »
Maybe doing a DNA test with Ancestry or one of the others would be of help in this situation.
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Re: Ellen Pulford, birth of her son whilst in service- UNKNOWN father
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 June 25 13:53 BST (UK) »


Are you researching the origins of Ellen PULFORD  b. 1868 Bleasby, Nottinghamshire?

Are you researching the paternity of her son Frank Harold PULFORD?

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Re: Ellen Pulford, birth of her son whilst in service- UNKNOWN father
« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 June 25 16:26 BST (UK) »
How old was Ellen when he was born?  Did she return home to have the baby?
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Re: Ellen Pulford, birth of her son whilst in service- UNKNOWN father
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 June 25 22:57 BST (UK) »
Yes that is exactly who I am researching! Ellen Pulford from Bleasby. I believe she would have been around 23/24 at the time of Frank's birth.

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Re: Ellen Pulford, birth of her son whilst in service- UNKNOWN father
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 03 June 25 02:38 BST (UK) »
You don’t say where and when Frank Harold Pulford was born.
If I’m am looking at the correct Frank Harold Pulford, he was born 10 Apr 1892 born in Newark, Nottinghamshire.

Birth certificate here
PULFORD, FRANK  HAROLD     - 
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in NEWARK  Volume 07B  Page 455
What information about address and informant is seen on the certificate?


Did Ellen have another illegitimate son?

Birth certificate here
PULFORD, WILLIAM       - 
GRO Reference: 1888  J Quarter in NEWARK  Volume 07B  Page 434
Have you looked at this birth certificate?


In 1901 census grandmother Lucy Pulford
Has 3 grandsons with her – William Pulford, Frank Harold Pulford and John Henry Gilbert

Are you sure Frank’s mother was Ellen, and not Emma Pulford?
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Re: Ellen Pulford, birth of her son whilst in service- UNKNOWN father
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 03 June 25 06:45 BST (UK) »
Yes first thing is to confirm all the details on the birth certificate for Frank please cerysgreest.

What record(s) have you got to indicate they are mother and son?
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Re: Ellen Pulford, birth of her son whilst in service- UNKNOWN father
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 03 June 25 10:08 BST (UK) »
Cerysgreest
Not sure if you are aware that you can download a digital image of the birth certificate from the GRO for 3 pounds

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Re: Ellen Pulford, birth of her son whilst in service- UNKNOWN father
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 04 June 25 09:35 BST (UK) »
Just confirming that Ellen was franks mother dob 10.04. 1892

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