Who was Ellen Robinson and what became of her?

[littleem1906]

I'm at a lost when it comes to tracing the parents of Ellen Robinson, born abt 1850.

All I know about her is that she married John Richmond in 1868. On the marriage record, she is listed as 17 years old, and living in Navigation Street, Birmingham. Her father is listed as being George Robinson, a labourer. One of the witnesses of the marriage was Mary Robinson.

I have only managed to find Ellen in the 1871 census, living with her husband and his parents (Charles & Mary Richmond). She is listed as being born in Birmingham on that census.

I know she had two children - Elizabeth (1871-1872) & Charles (1869-1953 - I know a lot about him).

Ellen's husband John Richmond died in 1872. From then on, I have been unable to find Ellen in any census. She may have remarried.

I also have no idea who her parents were. Besides a father's name George and the link to Navigation Street.

Who was Ellen Robinson? I can't find her in census earlier than 1871. Did she re-marry? I would love to know if she went on to marry and have more children.

ADDED INFO: Ellen's daughter Elizabeth, who died in 1872, died at Essington Street so Ellen would have been living there at the time. Sadly the informant of the death is the coroner and not Ellen, so I still don't know if Ellen remarried.

[LizzieL]

Have you found the son Charles in 1881, he would only have been 12, so some-one must be looking after him

[LizzieL]

John and Ellen in 1871 are with John's Grandparents (Charles and Mary) not parents

added
But C and M do seem to be parents on earlier censuses. Maybe enumerator transcribed incorrectly

[Milliepede]

Just a thought but she could be under a variation of Ellen ie Helen or Nellie or Eleanor, names to look for if you haven't already.

[Milliepede]

Have you looked at Navigation Street in 1871 to see if any Robinsons are living there?

As a reference Joseph Hadland is living at number 85 in 1871

[littleem1906]

I'm not sure how to look for particular streets in the census. This would be a useful thing to do though.

[Milliepede]

There are probably better ways but on ancestry in the search page I just put

Lived in 1871 Birmingham

then in the keyword box type

Navigation Street

It came up with electoral register entries not census but pick a name and check the address is in the right street then look up that person on the relevant census

[rosie99]

For information - copied from an earlier post

I'm looking into JOHN RICHMOND and ELLEN ROBINSON, both of Birmingham. John was born in c.1845 and Ellen was born in c.1850.

I have their marriage details as follows:
St Jude's Church - 31st August 1868
John Richmond - 22 - Bachelor - Brass Tube Solderer - Wharf Street (Father - Charles Richmond - labourer)
Ellen Robinson - 17 - Spinster - Navigation Street (Father - George Robinson - labourer)

Witnesses - Thomas Decley and Mary Robinson.

I have them both in the 1871 census as follows:
Fordrough Street, Birmingham (no house number given)
Charles Richmond - Head - Married - 75 - Locksmith - Warwick, Birmingham
Mary Richmond - Wife - Married - 76 - Warwick, Birmingham
John Richmond - Grandson - Married - 26 - Brass Tube solderer - Warwick, Birmingham
Ellen Richmond - Granddaughter - Married - 21 - Warwick, Birmingham
Charles Richmond - G Grandson - 1 - Warwick, Birmingham

John and Ellen's son, Charles Henry Richmond is missing in 1881, but is found again in 1891 living as a boarder to the Gardner family, with his new wife Elizabeth (nee Underwood). I have not been able to find him in 1881 so far.

[Ladyhawk]

I'm at a lost when it comes to tracing the parents of Ellen Robinson, born abt 1850.

All I know about her is that she married John Richmond in 1868. On the marriage record, she is listed as 17 years old, and living in Navigation Street, Birmingham. Her father is listed as being George Robinson, a labourer. One of the witnesses of the marriage was Mary Robinson.

I've been taking a look at the above this afternoon and wondered if witness Mary Robinson is related to Ellen might be a sister or mother

There's this 1861 census entry it may have no connection to your Robinson family but thought I'd post as her father is named George and his occupation labourer. This Ellen Robinson is not on the 1871 census with her parents George & Mary BUT if she's only aged 7 that would make only 14 on the 1868  marriage to John Richmond    if incorrect at least this Ellen can be ruled out

Ellen’s age transcribed as 27 on Anc*y looking at the original entry age written as 29 crossed out and I think it looks as if 7 is written above.

1861c Piece 2139 Folio 80 Page number   13
address Communication Row      
Geo Robinson   45 Head London occ labourer / day
Mary Robinson   29   Wife Dudley Worcestershire
ELLEN Robinson   27   Daughter
Sarah Jane Robinson   3   Daughter
Mary Robinson   1/12   Daughter
all others born Birmingham, Plus one boarder      
1861c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7JG-F34?lang=en - family search Ellen’s age  transcribed as 3 same as her sister Sarah Jane’s 

Not found a birth or baptism for Ellen Robinson with mn Wright 

Could it be a second marriage for her father George or was she the illegitimate daughter of Mary WRIGHT

Sisters Sarah & Mary ROBINSON’s baptism same day 27 April 1861

Sarah Jane Robinson age 3 years Born 20th Nov 1857
Mary Esther Jane Robinson age 2 months Born 1 Mar 1861
Baptism Place   Birmingham
Residence Place   Edgbaston
Church   Islington Methodist Church
Parish as it Appears   The Wesleyan-Methodist Chapel
Father   George Robinson Mother   Mary abode Communication Row

ROBINSON, SARAH  JANE   mmn WRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1857  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 63   

ROBINSON, MARY  ESTHER JANE    mmn WRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1861  J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 44   

Added - Mary Esther Jane Robinson Age 2, abode St Martins Street
            Burial 15 Feb 1863 St Bartholomew Birmingham

1871c Piece   3100 Folio   38 Page number   27
George Robinson 60 Middlesex London Head occ ??   
Mary Robinson   38 Worcestershire Dudley   Wife
Sarah J Robinson   15   Daughter
Theresa Robinson   5   Daughter
1871c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5YH-RGN?lang=en

??za Amelia Robinson Born 24 Jun 1864
Baptism    31 Jul 1864 Birmingham
Residence Place   Edgbaston, England
Church   Islington Methodist Church
Parish as it Appears   The Wesleyan-Methodist Chapel
Father   George Robinson Mother   Mary
Original reads Thirza Amelia

ROBINSON, THIRZA  AMELIA   mmn WRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1864  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 11   

1881c Piece 2964Folio   70 Page number   31
George Robinson 70 London, Head occ Gen Labourer   
Mary Robinson   47 Dudley   Wife
Sarah J. Robinson   20   Daughter
Thearsa Robinson   15   Daughter
Charles Robinson   10   Son
Mary J. Robinson   5   Daughter
1881 c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-S4ZD?lang=en
Is this Mary J birth entry - no mmn

ROBINSON, MARY  ESTHER JANE    - 
GRO Reference: 1876  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 51

possible death entry for
George ROBINSON age 79 Dec 1889 Aston Warwickshire

There is an 1854 marriage for a George Robinson to Mary Ann Wright ,
both res. Tonk St., both single, both made their mark - image on Anc*y

27 Nov 1854 Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England
George Robinson occ roadman Father John Robinson
Spouse   Mary Ann Wright

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