Finding a potential Hall ancestor. Help and advice required please.

[Annie65115]

Evening

It looks as though the info I gave you in the snip shown above was not quite right (I don't know why, I apologise)- John William Hall was interred in that grave in 1941, age 57. I don't know if this helps at all.

[Steve C]

Evening

It looks as though the info I gave you in the snip shown above was not quite right (I don't know why, I apologise)- John William Hall was interred in that grave in 1941, age 57. I don't know if this helps at all.

Hi Annie65115,

Thankyou very much for popping back with the update, very much appreciated.

Steve 

[Annie65115]

It looks to me as though Mary Eliza Hall was prev married to George Weston. John William Hall was the son of John Hall who is turn was Mary Eliza's second husband, after George Weston died.

So taking Mary Eliza as our index, that would mean the grave occupants were:

Mary Eliza (index)
George Weston (first husband)
John Hall (second husband)
John William Hall (stepson)
Ernest Frederick Wright (haven't looked into him)

Is there any reason why this should be more complicated than that?

[AlanBoyd]

Ernest Frederick Wright was Mary Eliza’s younger brother.

[Steve C]

It looks to me as though Mary Eliza Hall was prev married to George Weston. John William Hall was the son of John Hall who is turn was Mary Eliza's second husband, after George Weston died.

So taking Mary Eliza as our index, that would mean the grave occupants were:

Mary Eliza (index)
George Weston (first husband)
John Hall (second husband)
John William Hall (stepson)
Ernest Frederick Wright (haven't looked into him)

Is there any reason why this should be more complicated than that?

It appears to be a lot more complicated than that unfortunately 

As per my opening post and what I now know :-

Mary Eliza Hall ( 9 Richard Street, as previous replies to this thread show she did marry a John Hall but I don`t know who that John Hall was or if he is related at this stage, its not the John Hall buried in Gilroes though ).

John Hall ( formerly of Buckminster Road , I have his death certificate confirming residence, he was my Great Grandfather, he married twice, his first wife was Mary Ann, his second wife was Sarah Elizabeth).

John William Hall ( also formerly of Buckminster Road, he was the first son of my Great Grandfather John Hall mentioned above with his first wife Mary Ann, I have probate details confirming his address and the name of his wife. )

Now the conundrum.........why are Ernest Frederick Wright ( as Alan Boyd has kindly confirmed is Mary Eliza`s younger brother ) and George Weston ( Mary Eliza`s first husband ) also buried there?? I intially discounted them because they died in 1923 and 1910 respectively and Gilroes were telling me the grave was purchased part used, I assumed they were in the plot when it was purchased.

Please excuse the pun but the plot thickens.................hope I have managed to explain things as they stand at present.

Steve

[maddys52]

As with my Great Grandfather named John Hall it took absolutely ages to finally track down a burial especially being a reasonably common name. I`ll gratefully accept your Good Luck wish........think I`ll be needing it.

Perhaps this is not the burial of your G Grandfather? The relationships of those in the burial plot all seem to make sense according to Annie's post.   

[Annie65115]

Perhaps the plot was originally sold to one of the Weston/Wright family? And they decided they no longer needed it, or time ran out on the lease, so when Mary Eliza took her 3rd surname of Hall, the Hall family decided to buy the remaining lease?

How do you know (without the certificate) that Mary Eliza married a DIFFERENT John Hall?

How does your line run -- from John Hall to who? Can you post a summary of the info you have about that generation so we can double check? Because I really do wonder if things are much simpler than you think. It's so easy to go astray with a common surname!

(Edited to add- I've had a look at some of your other threads about the Halls and a (possible?) Barrow on Soar link - and yes, I'm confused! Was your grandfather John William Hall? In your first post on this thread, you refer to John Hall as both grandfather and great grandfather).

[Annie65115]

Oh dear, JWH met a grisly end - I've just read about the inquest on his death in the paper - it mentions his mother in law, Ada Bruce, but no other family members.

[Steve C]

As with my Great Grandfather named John Hall it took absolutely ages to finally track down a burial especially being a reasonably common name. I`ll gratefully accept your Good Luck wish........think I`ll be needing it.

Perhaps this is not the burial of your G Grandfather? The relationships of those in the burial plot all seem to make sense according to Annie's post.   

The addresses that Annie65115 gave in her original reply were John Hall in Gilroes buried 10th April 1935 aged 73 of 63 Buckminster Road. John William Hall aged 61 of Buckminster Road.

I am using this information as confirmation that it is my Great Grandfather John Hall and his first son John William Hall. The last record I have for John William Hall is the 1939 register which has him living at 63 Buckminster Road with his wife Lilian. I know my Great Grandfather John Hall had been living with John William Hall for several years up until his death in 1935 ( his death certificate states he was living at 63 Buckminster Road and the informant was Lilian Hall the wife of John William Hall ).

These details persuade me to believe its my relations buried there.