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Need help with transcription
« on: Tuesday 27 May 25 16:07 BST (UK) »
Can someone please transcribe this for me.   There are some words I just cannot make out, especially his name, his parents' names, and his occupation - and the witnesses.   He may have been related to family who went to this church.
It took me 15 minutes to get into this forum and have to go to work, so will have to explain it properly later.

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Re: Need help with transcription
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 June 25 02:10 BST (UK) »
Fol.(io) Fourteen
Baptism
T.A. Bain
Thomas Aylwin Bain son of Charles Robert Bain of Montreal, brewer and Catherine Goodwin (?) his wife was born on the twenty fourth day of June Eighteen Hundred and Twenty and baptized on the 28 day of July eighteen hundred and twenty one.
Witnesses:
Chas. Robt. Bain
Catherine G. Bain     Parents             J. Gardner (?) Minister

My best guess.

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« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 June 25 03:42 BST (UK) »
Thanks!  That beats my best guess!

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 June 25 03:45 BST (UK) »
One thing, though, the Unitarian Universalist church did not exist in 1821, and, the minister was Cordner.  He  was probably Catholic and rebaptized when he joined that church.   But you did better on the parts I couldn't get!


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« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 June 25 12:06 BST (UK) »
Those dates could also be eighteen hundred and SEVENTY and SEVENTY ONE. Not sure.

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 02 June 25 13:04 BST (UK) »
That handwriting....ugh. Well done lanarman.

The baptism is in the records of the Unitarian Messiah church in Montreal in 1871.

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 02 June 25 15:29 BST (UK) »
Yes, it is on record at that church, you know I came up with that image somehow, if I never found it - and Lanarman did a better job of transcribing it than Ancestry did.

It's actually the fact that it was at that church that caught my attention.

Ancestry transcribed it as 1870 or 1871.   I looked at it and that made sense.  One thing, though, the guy was clearly middle aged, if he was baptized when the church even existed.   Recording who his parents were might have been a matter of form - but, they also signed it?   And I didn't catch the record of their baptisms.   Montreal was formal and correct with their records, but, would the parents have signed it in middle age?

The church really did not exist in 1820.   

I have substantial ancestry that went there, and I'm trying to trace one of them.   Jane Bane/ Bain/ Cubane/ Cabean/ Conbean.   She left both her husband and the church and went to the Catholic cathedral and had two of her kids rebaptized there.   The name is highland Scottish.  There wree two clans, McBean, and Bain.   Bain never put a k sound in front if their name.  Bean was pronounced like Bain.   I'm like, why was a member of this Catholic family at the UU church?  Especially if he was a brewer.  It was common for young clerks to join this church and attach themselves to the hardware magnates who had founded and ran it.

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Dora Smith

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 June 25 15:40 BST (UK) »
Actually I think it said his FATHER was a brewer.   This is really strange.   It looks as if he were baptized as a baby but the way i read it it says he was born long before 1870.   The church was founded in 1842.   Before that its members were typically Presbyterians. 

Dora

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Re: Need help with transcription
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 03 June 25 07:46 BST (UK) »
Hi,
   Good work lanarman.
   Looking at the Ancestry image from the Drouin collection makes things much clearer.
   There is a side piece which gives the date of 1871 and the previous entry is easier to read and definitely 1871.
   I think I would make the mothers maiden name Godwin.
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