Looking for further info for the Gibsons and Fergussons from Ballynahinch

[steveforres]

Trying to deal with a brick wall in my family tree. My 3rd Great Grandparents were James Fergusson born in Ireland Abt 1821 and his wife Agnes Gibson born in Ireland Abt 1829. According to his death cert from Scotland in 1885 his parents were Samuel Fergusson and Helen Halliday. His wife Agnes death cert also from Scotland in 1901 has her parents as Robert Gibson and Agnes Burrows (or Borrows). I found a extract from a parish register their 1st born daughter for James and Agnes for a Isabella Borrows Ferguson born in Ballynahinch for a baptism in Magheradroll Parish Church in 1847. Their next child was born in Scotland in 1849 so I suspect they moved to Scotland between 1847 and 1849? I also have infomation that the marriage of James and Agnes may have happened on the 19 Feb 1845 or 20 June 1845 in the Belfast Rosemary St Church, Antrim but I haven't found any documents to support this as yet. Love to find out more about their family and especially their parents I suspect they left behind in Ireland. If anyone has come across them before or able to help then that would be much appreciated.

[Elwyn Soutter]

I think this might be your James & Agnes. Married 18.2.1846 in May St Presbyterian church in Belfast. Agnes is “Nessie” a diminutive for Agnes.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1846/09303/5368475.pdf

Agnes was from Drumgiven in Co Down. Here's her father listed farming there in the tithe applotment records for 1833:

https://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/kilmore-parish.php

[Kiltaglassan]

Drumgiven townland east of Ballynahinch.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4730668#map=12/54.4207/-5.8578

In the marriage record, was James Ferguson from Ballymacarn North (south-west of Ballynahinch)?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4651563#map=13/54.38256/-5.92403

[steveforres]

Thanks for this infomation and how did you find it as trying to find more about their parents too

I think this might be your James & Agnes. Married 18.2.1846 in May St Presbyterian church in Belfast. Agnes is “Nessie” a diminutive for Agnes.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1846/09303/5368475.pdf

Agnes was from Drumgiven in Co Down. Here's her father listed farming there in the tithe applotment records for 1833:

https://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/kilmore-parish.php

[steveforres]

Thanks and they down look that far apart from each other?

Drumgiven townland east of Ballynahinch.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4730668#map=12/54.4207/-5.8578

In the marriage record, was James Ferguson from Ballymacarn North (south-west of Ballynahinch)?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4651563#map=13/54.38256/-5.92403

[Kiltaglassan]

Thanks and they down look that far apart from each other?

Maybe four miles between them as the crow flies. 

[Elwyn Soutter]

Thanks for this infomation and how did you find it as trying to find more about their parents too

I searched on the irishgenealogy site. It contains non RC marriages from 1st April 1845 onwards and RC from 1st Jan 1864 onwards. I searched a year or two either side to be on the safe side.

I looked up Griffiths Valuation for Drumgiven (1863). There are no Gibsons listed in the townland then, so suspect the family had died out or moved away by that year

A John Gibson of Drumgiven appears to have died c 1857. There is mention of his will:

https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/genealogy/SURNAMES/G/GibsonAJ.htm

There are several Ferguson properties in Ballymacarn North in Griffiths but I do not see a Samuel. He was a labourer rather than a farmer so might easily have moved away from the area.

[steveforres]

Thanks again for this infomation. The reason I am interested in the Gibson's is I was contacted by a DNA match and we think the Gibson family name is the link. The family member she has in her tree is called John William Gibson born in Ireland abt 1793 and died in Texas 1870. We were thinking that her John Gibson and the father of Agnes (Robert) may have been brothers but we are both struggling to find documentation to confirm this match.

Thanks for this infomation and how did you find it as trying to find more about their parents too

I searched on the irishgenealogy site. It contains non RC marriages from 1st April 1845 onwards and RC from 1st Jan 1864 onwards. I searched a year or two either side to be on the safe side.

I looked up Griffiths Valuation for Drumgiven (1863). There are no Gibsons listed in the townland then, so suspect the family had died out or moved away by that year

A John Gibson of Drumgiven appears to have died c 1857. There is mention of his will:

https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/genealogy/SURNAMES/G/GibsonAJ.htm

There are several Ferguson properties in Ballymacarn North in Griffiths but I do not see a Samuel. He was a labourer rather than a farmer so might easily have moved away from the area.

[Elwyn Soutter]

In 1833 there were 3 Gibson farms in Drumgiven: John, Robert & Robert jr. Probably all related. The 2 Roberts may be father and son. All gone by 1863. John evidently died 1856/1857.