Thomas Jones and wife Elizabeth? what happened to them?

[weenie]

Evening all,
my cousin DNA match who i manage has a new Match with thru lines although its not looking correctly right, i believe it to be on my Owen Jones Line and not his wife Eleanor Jones line i have built their tree and im trying to get further back

so I have Richard Edwin Jones born 1881 Mold, to Thomas and Elizabeth Jones - Richard married Alice Mary Anderson b1873 living at 3 1 court new street in 1881 census the marriage is in 1897 and the address is 19 Garden Place Mold.

in 1901 Richard and Alice are living at 2 Garden Place, Mold with children.

in 1891 Richard is living with Uncle and Aunt Richard and Mary Lewis at High street, Richard sister Mary Elizabethb 1871 is also with them.

Now in 1881 census, living at Griffiths square Thomas and Elizabeth Jones with their son Richard E Jones, and their other children :
Robert aged 17 b c1864
William aged 15 b c1866
Mary A aged 9 b 1871
Charlotte A aged 8 b1873 - Charlotte Ann Bellis Jones born Griffiths sq according to baptism- died 1881 Griffiths square.
Thomas JB aged 4 1877 - Thomas John Belles Jones born Griffiths sq , died 1885 Bridge street.
Michael B aged 2 c1879
Rachel B aged 1 b1880 - Rachel was baptised 11 May 1879 Griffiiths sq.

also Edwin Griffiths is their as Brother in Law- im thinking Elizabeth brother b 1835 to Robert and Elizabeth the 1861 census fits.

Now no other census i can find for Thomas and Elizabeth Jones
however chidren Mary Elizabeth and Richard are living in 1891 with uncle and aunt as above.

i thought Elizabeth maybe maiden name Bellies/Bellies /Bellis howeer that one in 1864 Broughton married Thomas Taylor, and that Thomas Jones married Sarah.

i am thinking by my digging that Mary Lewis is Thomas sister, parents William and Elizabeth Jones and they are together on the 51 census with siblings Edward and James.

now back to to thru lines my Owen Jones lived at New Street , then 1 Garden Place and then 34 New Street untill his death in 1888 this is what makes me think the connection is around here .

so what happened to Thomas and Elizabeth and whats her maiden name?

any help greatly appriciated
Weenie

[Mabel Bagshawe]

JONES, RICHARD  EDWIN
mmn      GRIFFITH     
Q2 1881
 HOLYWELL  Volume 11B  Page 285

[Mabel Bagshawe]

This looks like the oldest boys in 1871, with their maternal grandmother

Elizabeth Griffith   75 widow, laundress
Robert Jones    7    Grandchild
William Jones   5    Grandchild

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Something odd going on - there's a marriage in Mold for Thomas Jones & Elizabeth Griffiths in 1871

This might be them on the 1871 census - address is Maesydre, same as for daughter Mary's baptism later in the year

Richard Lewis 29
Mary Lewis 30
Thomas Jones    28    Lodger  Bricklayer, unmarried
Elizabeth Jones     28      Lodger  dressmaker unmarried

[weenie]

Thankyou for this, so Robert and William were born before their parents married ?.

i did see the census of Richard and mary Lewis, and thought it was mary brother Thomas and Elizabeth

what i have also found now is my brothers dna also has this person match as well as my cousin. and like i said i do really think its my Owen Jones line where the connection is.

my Owen Jones father is John Jones b1810 - Says bodferin on his 2nd marriage to Elizabeth his father is listed as William Jones. Johns occupation is Bricklayer journey man.
Thomas occupation is also Bricklayer/brick maker and his father is William.

it certainly fits doesnt it?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Thankyou for this, so Robert and William were born before their parents married ?.

Quite possibly - there's baptisms for Robert (1863) and William (1865) Griffiths, sons of Elizabeth of F??'s Yard, Mold. Same address as Elizabeth Griffiths and Robert & William Jones in 1871

[weenie]

Thankyou