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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #9 on: Monday 26 May 25 15:31 BST (UK) »
Broaway,
The key to finding your Alfred Smith is knowing his Army number. That will be unique to him. It is most likely that he will have earned several medals, including the Defence Medal, the British War Medal and the Africa Star. Do you know if these might still be in the family somewhere? They would provide his Army number.
Until you have his number, all the other avenues of research which I could suggest, such as  the casualty and POW lists which are online, would be a waste of time as you couldn't confirm if you had the right man.

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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #10 on: Monday 26 May 25 15:36 BST (UK) »
Thank you Andy
All this family have passed on
so research is difficult without anyone to ask
I a sure the message by Cath has hit the nail on the head thank you

George

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« Reply #11 on: Monday 26 May 25 16:48 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately, I think you will find that unlike WW1 Medals, WW2 Medals were not normally stamped with the recipient’s name and number, so would be unlikely to be of help even if they were in possession of a family member. Occasionally WW2 Medals that are stamped have usually been done by the recipient.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #12 on: Monday 26 May 25 16:59 BST (UK) »
Thank you Jebber

Much appreciated

Regards

George


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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #13 on: Monday 26 May 25 17:40 BST (UK) »
Cathy,

I think I owe you a large apology. Some of the birth dates for Alfred's siblings are decidedly odd, and furthermore there is no birth registration for an Alfred Smith with the mother's maiden name Dennis within 100 miles of Derby in 1919.

If we start from William Henry Smith's marriage to Margaret Dennis in 1907 at St Luke's in Derby, they appear to have had several older children who had left home by the time of the 1939 Register; there's Reginald William born (?16 March) 1909 who died in 1981; then there's William H born 1913, followed by Margaret A born 1915 who appears to have died two years later.

There is then a gap until Alfred's birth is registered in Qtr 1 1917, (not 1919). There is then a birth of Arthur Smith, mother's maiden name Dennis in Derby during the last quarter of 1919. We then get another anomaly. In the 1939 register brother Albert's date of birth is shown as 20 Oct 1924, yet his birth is registered in quarter 4 of 1923. Antony's entry in the 1939R and his birth registration agree. The last entry in the 1939R is for Eric whose birth date is given as 16 Oct 1932 (when mother Margaret would have been in her 43rd year) but his birth was registered in the last quarter of 1931.

Given the fact that Alfred's, Albert's and Eric's birth dates are so muddled, I think it is highly likely that
Alfred though born in 1917 was actually brought up with his parents thinking he was born in 1919, perhaps confusing him with Arthur. If that is the case then the newspaper may have got the details about Alfred's age from his parents, not an official source, further adding to the confusion. 

If all of that turns out to be a reasonable explanation, then the newspaper article at least provides one additional piece of information about Alfred, namely that he was in the Royal Army Ordnance Corps, and worked in a mobile bath unit. I think the fact that two of his brothers are also mentioned by name in the article is too much of a coincidence for this not to be the right man.

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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #14 on: Monday 26 May 25 18:05 BST (UK) »
Whoever was the informant of Alfred's death in 1971 certainly knew his date of birth so I suggest Alfred knew as well.

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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #15 on: Monday 26 May 25 18:46 BST (UK) »
Andy, no apology needed :)
I wasn't that sure it was right either, just hoped it might be!
I found the article interesting never heard of the MBU before, liked the bit about the ladies worrying they might be scrubbed down by the british soldiers!
Cathy
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Clements,Coles,Mc Donagh,Rock

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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 27 May 25 08:00 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for the information
I am sure your correct Andy
Registering was a bit hit and miss Reginald was brought up by his grandmother from a very early age due to the fact that his parents was not allowed to have children whilst being employed at the premises
My Grandmother also had slight demensia and could have been confused having so many children

Thank you again for all that contributed

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George

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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 27 May 25 09:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Broaway.

Incidentaly do you know if either the Athol Smith (policeman) or Beatrice A Dennis who married in Derby in 1926 were related to the parents of Alfred, or was it just coincidence?