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Alfred Smith What regiment
« on: Monday 26 May 25 13:36 BST (UK) »
Hi  I wonder if anyone can shed any light on this subject please

My uncle Alfred Smith DoB 1917 Derby was in the army WW2
A family member once told me he served in Africa during his time But I cannot find what regiment he was in and this is what I am looking for
He married a Lillian Morris in Bury 1946?
His parents was William Henry Smith and Margaret Dennis
Any help gratefully received
Also like to thank the members on here for all the very kind assistance given in my searches in the past

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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #1 on: Monday 26 May 25 14:23 BST (UK) »
Is this the Alfred Smith who died in 1971 in Bury, Lancs with a dob 14.3.1917.

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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #2 on: Monday 26 May 25 14:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Softly
yes this is the one
I have been searching for his enlistment but failing

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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #3 on: Monday 26 May 25 15:13 BST (UK) »
You won't find his enlistment online unless he was in one of the smaller Corps or REME, which have so far had their records processed by the National Archives, with some of those being available on Ancestry. The remainder of the 9 million records which have recently been transferred from the MOD to the National Archives are in the process of being catalogued.

You have two choices. Either wait until around 2029 when TNA expect to have completed the task, or contact the MOD with the details you have and ask them to provide a reference number which you can present to TNA in order that they can locate and copy his service documents.
https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-records-of-service/apply-for-the-records-of-a-deceased-serviceperson

Unfortunately just asking TNA to find an Alfred Smith born 1917 will be an unrealistic task (see below) until they have indexed all the records. The MOD on the other hand already have a partial index which should allow them to find the relevant person. You won't need to provide a death certificate as it is obvious that Alfred will no longer be alive.

Incidentally just to give you an idea of the problem, there were 623 Alfred Smiths born in 1917 in England and Wales alone. After we add in Scotland and Northern Ireland that figure might be around 750. If we guess that around 500 of these went on to serve during WW2, with around 350 joining the Army, 100 going into the RAF and a further 50 to the Navy, you can see the extent of the problem. In 1942 the size of the British Army was 2,438,000 of whom around 140,000 were in North Africa. 

Good luck with your quest.


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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #4 on: Monday 26 May 25 15:14 BST (UK) »
I did find this in the newspapers.
I see in 1939 ther is a William H and Margaret at that address with son Alfred but he is down as being  born 14th March 1919.
If you think it might be him there is a longer piece about what he did in the war with photo.
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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #5 on: Monday 26 May 25 15:18 BST (UK) »
Cath, I think you are right that this isn't the correct Alfred Smith. The man in the clipping was aged 25 in 1944, so born 1919 (one of 620 Alfred Smiths born in England and Wales in that year).

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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #6 on: Monday 26 May 25 15:21 BST (UK) »
Possibly not, but image could possibly read 14.3.17
It mentions in the piece he had two brothers in the RN, Albert and Arthur.
Interesting job in the army.
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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #7 on: Monday 26 May 25 15:23 BST (UK) »
Possibly not, but image could possibly read 14.3.17
It mentions in the piece he had two brothers in the RN, Albert and Arthur.
Interesting job in the army.
Cathy
Well yes perhaps the 1939 Register entry is debateable, but that doesn't explain the press cutting giving his age as 25 in 1944.

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Re: Alfred Smith What regiment
« Reply #8 on: Monday 26 May 25 15:29 BST (UK) »
I agree, too many Smiths around but a possible same family in Derby with an Alfred born 1917.
Long shot, I agree, just putting it out there :)
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