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Re: Jessie Struthers 1839-1904
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 25 May 25 08:24 BST (UK) »
I guess this is your John Grant?

Lyttleton Times Weds April 2nd 1862, immigrants arriving on ship Victoria include John Grant [no other details].

manifest at Family Search:
Victoria, departure date 5 December 1861
John Grant, 23, Inverness-shire, ploughman


A very superficial search at A**y reveals two candidates (details from transcripts only).

John Grant, 1838, Abernethy Inverness, Glasgow St James, police constable
John Grant, 1837, Drummersd? Inverness, Glasgow Calton, Jour[neyman] tailor

The first of these seems like the better candidate with plenty of opportunities for a PC to meet someone like Jessie?

Perhaps when emigrating to NZ it was better to emphasize an agricultural skill? What did he become in NZ?

Or neither of these John Grants in Glasgow is the correct man.

Added: for clarity, those hits are in 1861
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Re: Jessie Struthers 1839-1904
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 25 May 25 09:34 BST (UK) »
There is a tree on A**y (OP?) which records that the John Grant who emigrated on the Victoria and married Janet Carruthers was a police constable, no documentation (and no ref to 1861 census).

So assuming that the John Grant I identified in 1861 is of interest, from detail at SP he is in the Police Barracks at Jail Square, which is now Jocelyn Square.

The Dundas Street where Janet Caruthers is recorded as a servant in 1861 no longer exists. It ran N from Scotland Street to Morrison Street and aligned with the modern Laidlaw Street.

Laidlaw Street to Jocelyn Square is 1 mile.
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Re: Jessie Struthers 1839-1904
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 25 May 25 10:29 BST (UK) »
If he was from Inverness-shire and she came from South Ayrshire then I think the most likely site of ‘paths crossing’ would be Glasgow since we know that she moved there before 1861.

If he arrived in NZ in 1862 then he should be find-able in the 1861 census. What was his year of birth, and is there any clue as to where in Inverness-shire he came from?

He was born around 1838 in Abernathy and Kincardine.

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Re: Jessie Struthers 1839-1904
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 25 May 25 10:34 BST (UK) »
I guess this is your John Grant?

Lyttleton Times Weds April 2nd 1862, immigrants arriving on ship Victoria include John Grant [no other details].

manifest at Family Search:
Victoria, departure date 5 December 1861
John Grant, 23, Inverness-shire, ploughman


A very superficial search at A**y reveals two candidates (details from transcripts only).

John Grant, 1838, Abernethy Inverness, Glasgow St James, police constable
John Grant, 1837, Drummersd? Inverness, Glasgow Calton, Jour[neyman] tailor

The first of these seems like the better candidate with plenty of opportunities for a PC to meet someone like Jessie?

Perhaps when emigrating to NZ it was better to emphasize an agricultural skill? What did he become in NZ?

Or neither of these John Grants in Glasgow is the correct man.

Yes! The ploughman is the John Grant that I think is my ancestor. I am just waiting to receive his death cert to confirm


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Re: Jessie Struthers 1839-1904
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 25 May 25 10:48 BST (UK) »
As you say so much "fits". As AB says, Jessie can be the diminutive of Janet or Jean.

Jessie's maiden name on the Lancashire Witch is "Struthers" in the alphabetical index at the front of the manifest but "Strathers" elsewhere - and reported as "Strathes" in the newspaper list.

In '61 "Janet Caruthers, age 21, Domestic Servant, born Maybole" is working in Lanarkshire and in '63 a "Jessie Struthers/Strathers/Strathes, Lanarkshire, age 23, Dom Servant" arrives NZ.

Can you find a Janet Carruthers, born Maybole 1839, parents Moses/Elizabeth in OTHER THAN NZ after the '61 Census - eliminate her as "your" Jessie.

Re last post I think I spotted John on a FamilySearch passenger list of '62 - will revisit.   

I looked up on ancestry and I couldn't find any census data, the only thing that comes up for a Janet Carruthers with those details are birth certs for the same person.
Also, where did you find that she was working in Lanarkshire? I can't find any 1861 census data for her.

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Re: Jessie Struthers 1839-1904
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 25 May 25 12:55 BST (UK) »
Many trees on A****y want John Grant to be the son of Peter Grant and Jane (McPherson) Grant. I found this family in the 1851 census and began trying to find them in 1861 with the aim of possibly ruling out this John Grant as being the PC in Glasgow. I didn’t find them.

The A***y trees maintain that Peter Grant died in 1851 and Jane Grant died in 1858. I haven’t found the original tree (with documentation?) that everyone is copying from, and I have failed to find either of these deaths at SP. The trees all give precise dates.

I have reached the point where I’m probably just duplicating what you already know, so I will stop now.

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Re: Jessie Struthers 1839-1904
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 25 May 25 15:30 BST (UK) »
Many trees on A****y want John Grant to be the son of Peter Grant and Jane (McPherson) Grant. I found this family in the 1851 census and began trying to find them in 1861 with the aim of possibly ruling out this John Grant as being the PC in Glasgow. I didn’t find them.

The A***y trees maintain that Peter Grant died in 1851 and Jane Grant died in 1858. I haven’t found the original tree (with documentation?) that everyone is copying from, and I have failed to find either of these deaths at SP.
Jane Grant, widow, 52, parents John McPherson and Christina McLean, died at Rymore, Abernethy and Kincardine on 24 October 1858. Informant was Charles Grant, son.

At Rymore in 1851 are Peter Grant, 48; Jane, 44: Charles, 21; Christina, 18; John, 13; Peter, 10; William, 9; Lewis, 4; Gillies, 0. Christina, John, Peter, William and Lewis match the baptisms of the family of Peter G and Jane McP.

In 1841, at Cullichie, Abernethy are Peter, 35; Jane, 30; James, 10; Christina, 8; John, 3; Peter, 0.

So the Anc* tree does seem to have got this right, and Peter senior must have died between the 1851 census (31 March 1851) and 31 December 1854 (the day before the start of civil registration). There is no likely death on SP, so it may be that there is a gravestone with the date of death of Peter senior.

So it is possible, perhaps even likely, that this is your John Grant, but it doesn't prove conclusively that he actually is.

Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Jessie Struthers 1839-1904
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 25 May 25 18:01 BST (UK) »
Thanks Forfarian, don’t know why I didn’t find the 1858 death.

It took a while, but I found Rymore and Cullachie of Rymore. This is a 25 inch map from 1871 showing both sites.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/75135292#zoom=4.1&lat=7506&lon=9379&layers=BT

And here is another 25 inch map overlaying a satellite image to show how the landscape looks remarkably similar today:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.7&lat=57.22975&lon=-3.68531&layers=168&b=ESRIWorld&o=100

Cullachie of Rymore is indexed as a Highland Historic Site
https://her.highland.gov.uk/Event/EHG5245

If you want to find the area on modern maps I have found it best to search for Aundorach (also shown on the linked maps).
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Re: Jessie Struthers 1839-1904
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 25 May 25 19:57 BST (UK) »
Cullachie of Rymore is still on the maps. National Grid Reference NH984168.

See https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NH9816
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.