An Intriguing Marriage Certificate

[shanreagh]

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I think I stopped too soon. There might be something very revealing just waiting for me to discover.

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The above is what keeps us all going as genealogists......just one more record to look at, etc etc.  I have a gt grandfather, Mum's grandfather who was known to her as  'Ireland's mystery man'  when she was searching and I have not got much further. Mind you she also used to say 'He'll be found when he wants to be' or 'He'll be found when he is found'.....which is proof in a way of gift of the gab and Irish heritage.   

[Rowan Tree]

MollyC,

Thanks for the clarification.

It's appreciated 😌

[Rowan Tree]

shanreagh,

I like, "he'll be found when he wants to be."

I'm going to think that phrase when members of my family tree are proving elusive.

Rowan Tree 🌳

[BushInn1746]

'He'll be found when he wants to be' or 'He'll be found when he is found'.....
   

Ancestors that do that to us, are a real pain in the Arboretum to me.

Leave us dangling with several options, but no way of confirming!! 

Then I cannot see the Hood for the Trees!

I have found my family members mentioned in more and more documents and Deeds, but no confirmation. His 1815 Marriage was in two Yorkshire newspaper notices and implies he was of that place, where Presbyterianism had taken root by 1690 and then other Nonconformist sects, but few surviving Chapel records until 1790 and c.1812.

We traced some 18th Century Catholic records of the locality and made a formal request, but unfortunately their Archives did not seem to be geared up to deal with enquiries or take photographs, perhaps suggesting they wish to hang on to Copyright, or whatever reason.

Mark

[Rowan Tree]

'He'll be found when he wants to be' or 'He'll be found when he is found'.....
   

We traced some 18th Century Catholic records of the locality and made a formal request, but unfortunately their Archives did not seem to be geared up to deal with enquiries or take photographs, perhaps suggesting they wish to hang on to Copyright, or whatever reason.

Mark

This is frustrating. I feel for you and empathise.

The ASPEY line of my family is through my maternal grandad, who I was very close to.

My grandad was born and raised Roman Catholic. I'd like to know his baptism details. I've contacted the church where I'm 99% sure he was baptised but they've not acknowledged my enquiry. I thought that it's possible they get inundated with requests from family historians and haven't pursued the baptism for this reason. I very much want to be respectful of the church, but I'll admit to feeling disappointed.

Learning about my grandad's very early life is proving more important than I'd ever originally anticipated. DNA has shown that my grandad's paternal line isn't who we'd always believed it to be.

My grandad's surname was MOORE. His dad was from an Irish Catholic family, but it turns out that I'm not related to that family (or any other Irish family). My mum and cousin have had their DNA tested and we've been able to confirm this. It didn't take long to work out that my grandad's biological paternal line is through Samuel BARNETT and Elizabeth ASPEY.

Rowan Tree 

[Rowan Tree]

I thought I'd add an update with new information, in-case anyone else researching this family ever stumbles upon this thread.

As well as the mysterious Alice ASPEY / HASPEY b. 1852, I wasn't certain what happened to two of Alice's sisters. In my search for Alice, I've now uncovered what happened to the two other sisters, Ellen and Margaret.

Ellen b. 09/05/1860 in Claughton (parish of Bidston), Cheshire (Wirral).
Ellen arrived in Montreal, Quebec, Canada in May 1907. She's listed as married, but I don't believe she had been married at this point. She's certainly still using her maiden name at any rate.
Ellen was heading to Brantford, Ontario.

Ellen's son, John ASPEY, (born out of wedlock in 1884) was already in Canada. He arrived in Montreal, Quebec in September 1906.

Ellen appears on the Canadian 1911 Census married to Joseph DAVENPORT, b. 03/05/1859 in England (I've not worked out where yet).

Joseph died January 1929 in Brantford, Ontario.
Ellen died February 1938 in Brantford, Ontario.

Ellen's son, John ASPEY is worth a mention. B. 18/07/1884 in Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancs.
In Aug/Sept 1914, John joined the Canadian Over-Seas Expeditionary Force at Valcartier Camp, Quebec.
In July 1917, John is ironically back in England at Crowborough Camp in Sussex as a soldier during WW1.

John meets and marries his wife while in Sussex.
12/07/1917 - St. Saviour, Haverstock Hill, Hamstead.
John ASPEY to Ede MASON nee WICKENS (Ede was a widow).
Witnessed by William GARDNER and Alice GARDNER.
John gave his father as Hardy or Handy ASPEY (deceased), Mill-Hand. I don't know if this was a made-up name to hide illegitimacy, or if it bares any relation to John's actual father?

John, Ede, Ede's daughter from her first marriage, Phyllis Edith MASON, and John & Ede's son, John ASPEY, emigrate to Canada and arrive in New Brunswick in February 1929.

John d. 1965
Ede d. 1953
Phyllis, who married Robert Lloyd George GOOD, d. 1990
John Jn. d. 1963

I'll save Alice and Ellen's sister, Margaret, for my next post.

Rowan Tree 

[Rowan Tree]

Before I move onto Margaret ASPEY, could anyone help decipher John ASPEY's marriage cert?

On the residence part of the certificate it says, "Canadian Head (something?) Crowborough." Can anyone help with the third word?

Also, I've added the name John gave as his father. I think it says Hardy or Handy ASPEY. Does it say something different to anyone else?

Many thanks,

Rowan Tree 

[stevemiller]

Quarters

[Rowan Tree]

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Of course! That lack of the line across the 't' foxed me.

Many thanks 😊