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Re: An Intriguing Marriage Certificate
« Reply #9 on: Friday 23 May 25 04:35 BST (UK) »
If our reading is correct, we must remember that the remarks made by the groom on the 1889 certificate may not be accurate.

No-one actually checked such information.

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Re: An Intriguing Marriage Certificate
« Reply #10 on: Friday 23 May 25 07:54 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone for your replies. This is such a curious one. Bigamy! I'd not considered bigamy. I wonder if there is another marriage out there.

A little bit more information on Alice:

B. 07/02/1852 in Claughton cum Grange, within the parish of Bidston, Cheshire (Wirral).

Bapt. 04/04/1853 at St. Oswald, Bidston. Daughter of Job ASPEY and Martha nee DAVIES.

On the 1871 census working as a live-in housemaid in Bidston.

From what I can tell, not too long after August 1871, most of the ASPEY family left the Wirral. I think they may have initially gone to West Yorkshire before settling in Chadderton and Oldham, Lancashire.

Alice's parents died in Chadderton in 1878 and 1884.

Most of Alice's siblings settled in Chadderton or Oldham, Lancashire.
ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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« Reply #11 on: Friday 23 May 25 11:08 BST (UK) »
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Re: An Intriguing Marriage Certificate
« Reply #12 on: Friday 23 May 25 12:59 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the enhanced image.

I'm currently studying it on a lunch break.

RT  :)
ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN


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Re: An Intriguing Marriage Certificate
« Reply #13 on: Friday 23 May 25 14:33 BST (UK) »
Do you have Alice's marriage certificate? Does it say Wellington was a bachelor?

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« Reply #14 on: Friday 23 May 25 15:51 BST (UK) »
The Brighouse Echo, 5th September 1890

A FAMILY SQUABBLE AT BARKISLAND.

Amos Crowther, described as a carter, of Barkisland, was summoned for having assaulted Wellington Ellis, labourer, his brother-in-law; Mary Sykes, widow, an old woman, of Barkisland, was charged with having assaulted her daughter, Eliza Jane Ellis, wife of Wellington Ellis; and Wellington Ellis was charged with having assaulted and threatened Mary Sykes, his mother-in-law.


 ... Amos Crowther, Mary Sykes' son, ...

 ... Wellington Ellis married the daughter of Mary Sykes about eighteen months ago, and the mother (Mary Sykes) was good enough at that time to furnish the house for them, and present the furniture to them as gift. ...

Other people mentioned:-
Mr Williams appeared for Amos Crowther and Mary Sykes, and Mr Marshall (Riponden) appeared for Wellington Ellis and Eliza Jane Ellis.
The daughter of Mary Sykes, mentioned.

A young girl named Ruth Fowler and an old woman named Fanny Pinder gave evidence in support of Mr Marshall's Statement.

Paragraph too long to write up the squabble.

The dispute was over furniture and a hankerchief.

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« Reply #15 on: Friday 23 May 25 18:38 BST (UK) »
1) The 1889 is a Banns Marriage and I suspect someone might have questioned the Banns or Marriage and a check was made.

Widr. is in bold, amongst probably a pencil or partly erased note. The original Register (perhaps in a Record Office) may reveal what the note says in full.

You will see far right on the Marriage Register page, in the margin Barkisland[?] and another word struck through.

2) His Father, on the two Marriage Certificates doesn't match (9th November 1872 Sowerby Bridge and the 1889 Halifax).

But both do say:- Residence Barkisland

Also the three 1890 Court cases (heard together) mentioned a Fanny Pinder. The surname Pinden (which might supposed to have read Pinder), Occupation Farmer, is on the earlier Certificate, for the Father of Wellington Ellis.

3) In one of the Banns of the earlier marriage her name is Alice Aston.

But she has not signed Aston on the 1872 Marriage, she signed Alice Haspey.

A witness has signed the same (or similar).

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« Reply #16 on: Friday 23 May 25 19:22 BST (UK) »
Hello

An Elizabeth Haspey, must also have married about the same time as Alice Haspey in 1872 in the same Registration District of Halifax, because they appear in the same GRO Volume, one page different, according to the GRO Index.

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« Reply #17 on: Friday 23 May 25 20:23 BST (UK) »
Hello

An Elizabeth Haspey, must also have married about the same time as Alice Haspey in 1872 in the same Registration District of Halifax, because they appear in the same GRO Volume, one page different, according to the GRO Index.

Alice Haspey and Elizabeth Haspey, look to be sisters, they share the same Father: Job Haspey, according to the two 1872 Marriage Register entries.