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Mystery elphick
« on: Wednesday 21 May 25 16:19 BST (UK) »
I’m looking for a Stephen elphick, who lived at adelong creek , now tumblong ( near gundagai) in 1865.
Newspaper story paper articles state, printed in the adelong times on Thursday 16 November 1865.
Details were that Stephen elphick, whose wife died some months ago, was allowed to live in an empty hut on mr William Edward’s land with his 4 children.
Mr Edwards was also known as adelong Bill.
The neighbours found the 4 children in a state , eating thistles. The eldest reported to be no more than 7 years old.
Mr Edwards went to the gundagai police who issued a warrant for the father’s arrest .
A cousin of mine who lives in Australia can’t find any trace of the warrant of the arrest or apprehension of Stephen elphick in the court gazettes from the of the article through to 1868.
Trove helped when an article was found on the gundagai police court proceedings held on Monday , Nov 13 1865 when Stephen was brought before said court on summons , for charge of desertion of his family.
Obviously there was extenuating circumstance, as to why the warrant was not executed. He was discharged after admonishment from the bench.
Is there any more information on this case?
I can’t find any other details on this case. Stephens age,the ages and names of his children . Baptism or birth.
Marriage of Stephen elphick to his wife. Or death and burial of his dead wife.
I would just like to add that the elphicks in the gundagai, south gundagai, nangos, tumbling and tumut area are one big multi generational family of the convict James elphick. B 1810 East Sussex. Transported on the “mangles”.
James had a son by his first wife, called Stephen . However, Stephens wife did not die in 1865, and from memory they had 13 children , including a son also called Stephen b 1860.
The convict James elphick also had another 9 children with his second wife, Jane fuller. The last of which was born 1866.
The Stephen elphick I’m looking for is not part of this family.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Mystery elphick
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 22 May 25 00:16 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I suspect that this child burnt in a tent fire in 1860 may be from that family:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/60502669?searchTerm=%22stephen%20elphick%22

I couldn't see a Coroners' Inquest or death certificate.

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Re: Mystery elphick
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 22 May 25 10:14 BST (UK) »
Don't know if it is the same man, however there was a Stephen ELPHICK arrived 1852 aged 18 as an assisted immigrant on the William and Mary.
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/INDEX867125

Another arrived on the Mary Hay in 1839 aged 18
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/INDEX83194

A Stephen ELPHICK charged with larceny at Gundagai in 1870.
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/INDEX1607855

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Re: Mystery elphick
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 22 May 25 10:19 BST (UK) »
Thank you Maddy, but I’m sure it’s not this one. I’ll make sure though.
Thanks again 😊


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Re: Mystery elphick
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 22 May 25 10:47 BST (UK) »
There are a number of children born to a Stephen and Mary A ELPHICK :
1857  James  (Camden)
1858  William H  (Camden)
1860 Stephen Henry  (Yass)
1862 Jane  (Yass)
1863  Mary A (Gundagai) died 1863
1865  Elizabeth (Gundagai)

If the oldest child in the trove article was around 7 in 1865, this could fit with this family - though I realise there is 1 extra child.

Stephen ELPHICK married Mary Ann THOMAS at Camden in 1856.

Though there are a few deaths for Mary ELPHICK, none in the correct time frame.  :-\


Modified to add:
Sorry, I think I'm wrong - there are births to Stephen and Mary Ann ELPHICK after 1865 at Gundagai, so unlikely to be the family in question.

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Re: Mystery elphick
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 22 May 25 11:05 BST (UK) »



 *  "I’m looking for a Stephen elphick, who lived at adelong creek , now tumblong ( near gundagai) in 1865."

Can you confirm please -

You have no age for this man, no name /age, death date / death place for his wife , no marriage record, no names or ages for his children.

* "James had a son by his first wife, called Stephen."
Who is James, and how is he involved in your research?
 
* "The Stephen ELPHICK I’m looking for is not part of this family."
Part of what family?

* Can you give all of the information you have about...the Stephen ELPHICK that you are looking for?

* What information would confirm that it is about the Stephen ELPHICK who is of interest to you?

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Re: Mystery elphick
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 22 May 25 12:40 BST (UK) »
For  those wanting to see the newspaper clips mentioned

The news item  November 1965
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/144778473?searchTerm=%22thistles%22

Discharged 13 1865. Yass Courier Nov 22 1865
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/263926174

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Re: Mystery elphick
« Reply #7 on: Friday 23 May 25 05:43 BST (UK) »
A thought to consider.

If ELPHICK was not legally married to the mother of these children, the children would possibly be registered in her name, not his.

Nor would there be a death registered for the woman in the ELPHICK name and obviously not a marriage, 

Alternatively, consider  the possibility that children were not his (maybe some were, others not) and this would account for the lack of documentation in the ELPHICK name for the couple.

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Re: Mystery elphick
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 May 25 10:38 BST (UK) »
There was a Jane Elphick, who died in 1861.  She was 47, had been in the colony 22 years, originally from Scotland as a convict, and had been married to Stephen Elphick, a sawyer, for about 15 years.  The death is implied to have been at least in part due to her drinking habits.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13062052?searchTerm=elphick
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/page/5509528
(left hand column).

A son aged 11 is mentioned as "one of her sons", suggesting there was more than one. He may be John S Elphick born 1850. Their marriage is probably Stephen Elphick to Jane Cameron in 1848.

This doesn't quite line up with "died a few months ago", but perhaps he exaggerated the recentness of his wife's death to garner sympathy from William Edward.
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