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Another Bill burial
« on: Monday 19 May 25 13:58 BST (UK) »
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https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FSHROP%2FP198-A-1-2%2F58014&parentid=GBPRS%2FSHROP%2FBUR%2F273791

It is the burial of a Maria Bill in Much Wenlock in 1675. I can make out:

S Maria filia : ?? : Bill Lo??? s{e}p{u}lt ?? eodi? Virgissi?? primo  die Mar?? 1675

i.e. she was buried on the 21st March. The rest I need a bit of help with, please.
Anderson - Leics., Yorks.; Attwood - Worcs., Staffs.,  Salop; Baylis - Worcs.; Beach/Bache - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Bills - Devon, Worcs.<br />Dovey - Worcs., Staff., Salop; Gill - Worcs.; Hampton - Worcs., Staffs.; Hancox/Hancocks - Worcs., Staffs.<br />Hill - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Sherwood - Worcs., Staffs.; Stonyer - Worcs., Staff., Salop, Essex<br />Woodall - Worcs., Staffs.; Potter - Essex.

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Re: Another Bill burial
« Reply #1 on: Monday 19 May 25 15:52 BST (UK) »
Londinensis = of London

As written, the next word begins with: seplt_

It possibly ends with:  _ist

Then eode(m), referring to the same month as the last one named in a previous entry.

Then:  ...vicessi(mo): primo die Martij 1675

I don't have a clear sense of the father's name.  It could end with _cus or perhaps _nis?

ADDED:

The father's name has been contracted.

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Re: Another Bill burial
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 May 25 18:14 BST (UK) »
Could the father's name be Gulielmus?
Anderson - Leics., Yorks.; Attwood - Worcs., Staffs.,  Salop; Baylis - Worcs.; Beach/Bache - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Bills - Devon, Worcs.<br />Dovey - Worcs., Staff., Salop; Gill - Worcs.; Hampton - Worcs., Staffs.; Hancox/Hancocks - Worcs., Staffs.<br />Hill - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Sherwood - Worcs., Staffs.; Stonyer - Worcs., Staff., Salop, Essex<br />Woodall - Worcs., Staffs.; Potter - Essex.

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Re: Another Bill burial
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 May 25 19:04 BST (UK) »
Could the father's name be Gulielmus?

In this context it should be Gulielmi (genitive).

At a stretch someone might argue that it ends _mj and means _mi but in my opinion that is highly unlikely.

I can't remember ever seeing a j standing for an i at the end of a name.

I also don't feel that the beginning of the word looks like a G, but that's only an opinion.

You might wish to search nearby pages for a similar looking name?  Or, search for a William to see how it is written?


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Re: Another Bill burial
« Reply #4 on: Monday 19 May 25 19:50 BST (UK) »
As written, the next word begins with: seplt_
It possibly ends with:  _ist

I think it is simply sep(u)lt: est, or similar (= 'was buried').

The father's name is the same shape as the father's name in the line immediately above. I think that one is Wmj (= contraction of Willelmi, = 'of William'). While I agree with horselydown86 that -mj at the end is unusual, other entries on the page show that this clerk does have a rather quirky style.

Checking for any other contracted Williams in this same hand would, as suggested,  be a good idea.

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Re: Another Bill burial
« Reply #5 on: Monday 19 May 25 22:26 BST (UK) »
There is a baptism a few lines further down the page for a Willmus. The capital W and the final couple of letters are very similar to the beginning of Maria's father's name, from which I think that Maria is the daughter of William Bill, with the William being quite contracted on Maria's entry. The only puzzle now is the Londinensis; there is no similar name around Much Wenlock that I can see, and there is no London Street or London Road in the town.
Anderson - Leics., Yorks.; Attwood - Worcs., Staffs.,  Salop; Baylis - Worcs.; Beach/Bache - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Bills - Devon, Worcs.<br />Dovey - Worcs., Staff., Salop; Gill - Worcs.; Hampton - Worcs., Staffs.; Hancox/Hancocks - Worcs., Staffs.<br />Hill - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Sherwood - Worcs., Staffs.; Stonyer - Worcs., Staff., Salop, Essex<br />Woodall - Worcs., Staffs.; Potter - Essex.

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Re: Another Bill burial
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 20 May 25 03:28 BST (UK) »
The only puzzle now is the Londinensis; there is no similar name around Much Wenlock that I can see, and there is no London Street or London Road in the town.

I suspect it refers to the big, smoky town in the County of Middlesex.

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Re: Another Bill burial
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 20 May 25 11:32 BST (UK) »
Now, I wonder why I didn't think of that!  ::) ;D ;D ;D

Anderson - Leics., Yorks.; Attwood - Worcs., Staffs.,  Salop; Baylis - Worcs.; Beach/Bache - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Bills - Devon, Worcs.<br />Dovey - Worcs., Staff., Salop; Gill - Worcs.; Hampton - Worcs., Staffs.; Hancox/Hancocks - Worcs., Staffs.<br />Hill - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Sherwood - Worcs., Staffs.; Stonyer - Worcs., Staff., Salop, Essex<br />Woodall - Worcs., Staffs.; Potter - Essex.

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Re: Another Bill burial
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 20 May 25 23:10 BST (UK) »
The Londinensis may be in reference to one of the family being apprenticed to a London printer. When I've done all the BMDs I can find, I'll follow that up. In the meantime, what is at the end of this 1807 burial entry for Mary Bill at Barrow?
Anderson - Leics., Yorks.; Attwood - Worcs., Staffs.,  Salop; Baylis - Worcs.; Beach/Bache - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Bills - Devon, Worcs.<br />Dovey - Worcs., Staff., Salop; Gill - Worcs.; Hampton - Worcs., Staffs.; Hancox/Hancocks - Worcs., Staffs.<br />Hill - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Sherwood - Worcs., Staffs.; Stonyer - Worcs., Staff., Salop, Essex<br />Woodall - Worcs., Staffs.; Potter - Essex.