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Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 18 May 25 20:47 BST (UK) »
There are a few online films for the “Kościół rzymsko-katolicki. Parafja Nowe (Świecie)”

I’m wondering whether the following might be the 1843 baptism of your Johann, son of Anton “Chila” and Anna “Licowna”:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZY-S36W-8?i=458 (#55)

Thank you for the info, but I shall reserve judgement on this entry as the names of the mother doesn't look correct.
I might be wrong, and shall keep researching.
Researching the names Mckenzie / Mackenzie from Ross and Cromarty especially Scoraig and Rherivach.

The names Fraser, MacGillivary and Grant from Daviot & Dunlichity.

The name of Fraser from Lanarkshire.

The name of Bell from Northumberland.

The name Chilla / Chylla / Chyla from Poland.

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Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 18 May 25 20:48 BST (UK) »
PS
This is probably another brother:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZQ5-LZH9?lang=en

Again, I'm not 100% convinced, but will keep it in mind.
Thank you so much for trying.
Researching the names Mckenzie / Mackenzie from Ross and Cromarty especially Scoraig and Rherivach.

The names Fraser, MacGillivary and Grant from Daviot & Dunlichity.

The name of Fraser from Lanarkshire.

The name of Bell from Northumberland.

The name Chilla / Chylla / Chyla from Poland.

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Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 21 May 25 17:33 BST (UK) »
PS
This is probably another brother:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZQ5-LZH9?lang=en

Again, I'm not 100% convinced, but will keep it in mind.
Thank you so much for trying.


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Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 24 May 25 19:21 BST (UK) »
I have a dna match to a lady, who thinks that our connection is through Antoni Chilla, but she has him married to Marianna Polea, and we wonder if Antoni married more than once.
Faustyna was born in 1851 in Rynkowka, Pomerania, Poland. She died on 14 December 1891, in Bakowo, Plochicin, Pomorze, Poland.

I haven’t received any feedback regarding the scan for Anton junior’s birth yet, but maybe I’ll review some of your data first.

Faustyna’s age is indeed 40 when she dies in 1891 (i.e. born abt 1851), but it is 20 when she marries on 12 Oct 1873 (i.e. born abt 1853): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVW-W9HJ-4?i=19 (#14).
N.B. It looks as if both the bride and the groom might have been from the current hamlet “Cisowy” a stone’s throw from Rynkówka.
 
The only possibility for her birth seems to be a Julianne Faustine CHYLA born 15 Feb 1854 (NOT 1851) in Rynkówka, daughter of Anton CHYLA and Maryanna POLEY (NOT POLEA): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23SY-9?i=321  (#20)
Faustina seems to have had at least abt half a dozen siblings (there are various parish books missing!). It is interesting that when a possible sister is born in 1843, the mum has her name in a Polish version just like the family from Milewo in 1843.

It is abt a 90 minute walk from Milewo to Rynkówka/ Cisowy (and faster by horse), so “your” Anton could have had 2 families parallel to each other, but it would be more likely that there were 2 separate Antons who might have been related  …



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Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« Reply #13 on: Friday 30 May 25 15:15 BST (UK) »
I have a dna match to a lady, who thinks that our connection is through Antoni Chilla, but she has him married to Marianna Polea, and we wonder if Antoni married more than once.
Faustyna was born in 1851 in Rynkowka, Pomerania, Poland. She died on 14 December 1891, in Bakowo, Plochicin, Pomorze, Poland.

I thought I had sent you a private message, but I can't find it now (maybe too much wine  ???)
I am just back from a visit to my family in Gdansk. We also visited Milewo, Montawy, Wielki Komorsk, Nowe and Starogard.
I met the lady who dna matches with me, and we have been trying to further our research, using the information you have given. It's all quite exciting.

I haven’t received any feedback regarding the scan for Anton junior’s birth yet, but maybe I’ll review some of your data first.

Faustyna’s age is indeed 40 when she dies in 1891 (i.e. born abt 1851), but it is 20 when she marries on 12 Oct 1873 (i.e. born abt 1853): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVW-W9HJ-4?i=19 (#14).
N.B. It looks as if both the bride and the groom might have been from the current hamlet “Cisowy” a stone’s throw from Rynkówka.
 
The only possibility for her birth seems to be a Julianne Faustine CHYLA born 15 Feb 1854 (NOT 1851) in Rynkówka, daughter of Anton CHYLA and Maryanna POLEY (NOT POLEA): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23SY-9?i=321  (#20)
Faustina seems to have had at least abt half a dozen siblings (there are various parish books missing!). It is interesting that when a possible sister is born in 1843, the mum has her name in a Polish version just like the family from Milewo in 1843.

It is abt a 90 minute walk from Milewo to Rynkówka/ Cisowy (and faster by horse), so “your” Anton could have had 2 families parallel to each other, but it would be more likely that there were 2 separate Antons who might have been related  …
Researching the names Mckenzie / Mackenzie from Ross and Cromarty especially Scoraig and Rherivach.

The names Fraser, MacGillivary and Grant from Daviot & Dunlichity.

The name of Fraser from Lanarkshire.

The name of Bell from Northumberland.

The name Chilla / Chylla / Chyla from Poland.

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Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 31 May 25 16:08 BST (UK) »

As requested:
Julianne Faustina’s siblings i.e. Chyla/Poley children (there could have been more):

Franz born abt 1848 - 1848 death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVW-W9H3-G?i=199 (#33)
Francisca born abt 1849 - 1849 death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVW-W9HQ-B?i=210 (last entry for 1849)
Alberth(?)  born16 April 1851 - baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23SM-L?i=291 (#31)
Martin born 11 Nov 1857 - baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23ST-M?i=354 (#116, twin!)
Marc(?)ianna born 11 Nov 1857 - baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23ST-M?i=354  (#117, twin!)
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Myabe: Marianna born 9 dec 1843 (parents: Anton Chyla X Marianna Polejowska) - baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23SH-9?i=226 (#89)

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Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 31 May 25 17:14 BST (UK) »

As requested:
Julianne Faustina’s siblings i.e. Chyla/Poley children (there could have been more):

Franz born abt 1848 - 1848 death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVW-W9H3-G?i=199 (#33)
Francisca born abt 1849 - 1849 death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVW-W9HQ-B?i=210 (last entry for 1849)
Alberth(?)  born16 April 1851 - baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23SM-L?i=291 (#31)
Martin born 11 Nov 1857 - baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23ST-M?i=354 (#116, twin!)
Marc(?)ianna born 11 Nov 1857 - baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23ST-M?i=354  (#117, twin!)
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Myabe: Marianna born 9 dec 1843 (parents: Anton Chyla X Marianna Polejowska) - baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23SH-9?i=226 (#89)

Goodness me, so much information to process, but still the mystery remains as to how the lady who descends from Faustyna dna matches to me.

I guess its just work (a lot of..............) in progress.
Researching the names Mckenzie / Mackenzie from Ross and Cromarty especially Scoraig and Rherivach.

The names Fraser, MacGillivary and Grant from Daviot & Dunlichity.

The name of Fraser from Lanarkshire.

The name of Bell from Northumberland.

The name Chilla / Chylla / Chyla from Poland.

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Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 31 May 25 17:17 BST (UK) »

Just found another sibling for Faustyna:
Salvatore (fem) born 1845- baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23S7-W?i=240 (#61)

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« Reply #17 on: Saturday 31 May 25 17:29 BST (UK) »
I’m wondering whether this is “your” Anton’s death in 1878. He is 78y old. I’m guessing that that it says that Anna Lica is his wife, but someone else will have to confirm that because as he seems to have resided in Rynkowka instead of Nowe:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVW-W9HK-9?i=373 (#13)