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Offline petey22

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Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« on: Wednesday 14 May 25 07:37 BST (UK) »
dear all,
On receiving the death certificate of William (Bocking) Rogers born 1852 Sudbury death 1918, I read to my suprise the following:
William Rogers, died 4th april 1918 on pavement of mansfield Street, male, aged 65
A pensioned railway goods checker of 4 Wilmot House, Mansford Street, Bethnal Green
Fracture of skull from fall from window. Suicide. Temporary Insanity P.M.
Certificate received from Wimm Westcott Coroner for North East London Inquest held 8th April 1918.

Can I find more information about this? would this have appeared in the local newspapers? If so, which newspapers would this have been?  Would the inquest report be available somewhere?

It seems that William committed suicide at home at Wilmot House, Mansford street, Bethnal Green. Does this house still stand? I am based in the Netherlands and hope to travel back to Blighty to visit graveyards and the like.

On 'Find a Grave' I have discovered that William is buried at Manor Park Cemetery, Forest gate, Newham and I desperately need a photo of the stone as according to 'Find-a-grave' the inscription reads 'William Bocking Rogers'. This photo I need with regard to my 'Bocking Rogers' name study,,,  ::) so If there are any kind souls out there in the general area, I would be very grateful.

kind regards
Pete
Sudbury Suffolk, Bocking/Braintree Essex, Hendon/Bethnal green Middx.

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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 14 May 25 09:10 BST (UK) »
Hi
It looks like that part of London has changed a lot and I don't think that you will find that house still standing. It was at 1-12 Mansford Street which was then on the corner of Florida Street.
With Google Streetview you  can see that that road layout has been built over with housing.
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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 14 May 25 09:26 BST (UK) »
There's an old photo of Mansford Rd

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=851722821573343&set=a.216224571789841&locale=en_GB

Someone has commented: "Apparently that row was originally called "Wilmot House, Mansford Buildings, and Toye's Buildings, after the builder Samuel Toye." Built from 1880-1889."
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 14 May 25 13:02 BST (UK) »
There are no surviving inquest reports for the London North Eastern coroner's district before 1927. Your best bet for a report will be the newspapers.


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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 14 May 25 13:54 BST (UK) »

On 'Find a Grave' I have discovered that William is buried at Manor Park Cemetery, Forest gate, Newham and I desperately need a photo of the stone as according to 'Find-a-grave' the inscription reads 'William Bocking Rogers'. This photo I need with regard to my 'Bocking Rogers' name study,,,  ::) so If there are any kind souls out there in the general area, I would be very grateful.

kind regards
Pete

Have you considered posting a request for a photo on the Findagrave website
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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 May 25 15:35 BST (UK) »
Deceased Online just says William Rogers, buried 11 April 1918, Newham (cemetery is Manor Park)
Grave details and 28 other burials

So likely a common grave, and unlikely to be a headstone.

If the findagrave contributor has it right about his wife being Mary Ann and buried at Manor Park in 1921, then she was buried 13 April 1921. Grave has 14 other burials.

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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 14 May 25 16:02 BST (UK) »

On 'Find a Grave' I have discovered that William is buried at Manor Park Cemetery, Forest gate, Newham and I desperately need a photo of the stone as according to 'Find-a-grave' the inscription reads 'William Bocking Rogers'.

It is never clear from Find a Grave website what is fact (by that I mean: written on the actual headstone) and what is possible fiction e.g contributed information about the deceased birth place, birthdate, family members (excluding those specifically mentioned on the same headstone) etc
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 May 25 08:49 BST (UK) »
dear all,
thanks very much for all the information  ;D

I'm quite surprised that William and wife Mary Ann most probably ended up in communal graves and I guess also disappointed that there is also no actual grave stone. I shall however apply for the additional information offered by Deceased online if they ever accept my Dutch credit card  :-\

So, no inquest report, no grave stone but at least the possibility of a mention in a local newspaper is still an option. The East London Advertiser and East London Observer have been advised to me.
Are there any other options?
Kind regards
Pete
Sudbury Suffolk, Bocking/Braintree Essex, Hendon/Bethnal green Middx.

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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 15 May 25 14:46 BST (UK) »
I have searched the British Newspaper Archives for (Rogers, Mansford), (Rogers, Bethnal) and (Rogers, Wilmot) in April 1918 and I have drawn a blank.

The archive covers the East London Observer for that period, but not the East London Advertiser (this stops at 1866, I don't know if that means that it didn't publish after that date).

Note that because the search is on OCR'd text a negative search result is not reliable 'evidence of absence'.

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