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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 15 May 25 15:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Alan,
thanks for the search and your tip of the ' British Newspaper Archive'  ;D I signed up and made some searches myself unfortunately, also with no success  :P
I also tried searching at 'find a will.gov.uk' also with no success, (although I'm pretty crap at that and never find who I'm looking for).,,,,, brick walls  ::)
Sudbury Suffolk, Bocking/Braintree Essex, Hendon/Bethnal green Middx.

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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #10 on: Friday 16 May 25 01:19 BST (UK) »
He was born in Bocking (Braintree), Essex, hence the second forename?

Registered as BROCKEN on FreeBMD and BOCKEN on GRO.

Surname    First name(s)        District    Vol    Page
Births Sep 1852   (>99%)
Rogers    William Brocken        Braintree    4a   269

   Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:
   ROGERS, WILLIAM  BOCKEN     LEE 
GRO Reference: 1852  S Quarter in BRAINTREE UNION  Volume 04A  Page 269

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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 20 May 25 08:48 BST (UK) »
dear all,
I have the Burial register scan from deceasedonline.com.
The entry reads:
William Rogers, aged 65, of 4 Wilmott House, Mansford Street, Bethnal Green. Square 129, Grave 669.  Thus no mention of Bocking.
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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 20 May 25 09:10 BST (UK) »
He was born in Bocking (Braintree), Essex, hence the second forename?

The name 'Bocking Rogers' I believe comes from the following:

Elizabeth Tiffen c1803 marries James Bocking c1799 on 13-11-1820 in Sudbury
They have children Charles 18921 - 1830, Sarah 1823 - 1830, James 1825 - 1832
These children all die young and so does father James in 1829 (all possibly from an smallpox epidemic?)
Elizabeth then marries William Bocking c1807 on 30-07-1830 in Sudbury, they have son William Bocking Rogers c1831 and thus begins the name 'Bocking Rogers' and why? that has become an obsession for me. Some within my family believe that William c1831 was the son of Elizabeth and James Bocking and some believe Elizabeth and William.
Anyway, the children of William c1831 and Christiana Lee also receive the "Bocking Rogers' name at birth. Some cling to the name and use it here and there and others not. After this generation, the 'Bocking Rogers' name disappears. My gt gt gt grandfather and William's brother Charles Bocking Rogers, was known and referred to by future generations as 'old Bocking'.
A long story, but something that occupies much of my time and also something I hope to solve one day  ::)
Sudbury Suffolk, Bocking/Braintree Essex, Hendon/Bethnal green Middx.


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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 20 May 25 17:59 BST (UK) »
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Registered as BROCKEN on FreeBMD and BOCKEN on GRO.

The manuscript source of FreeBMD definitely shows two letters between B and c.  I have reported an error.

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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 22 May 25 13:48 BST (UK) »
He was born in Bocking (Braintree), Essex, hence the second forename?

The name 'Bocking Rogers' I believe comes from the following:

Elizabeth Tiffen c1803 marries James Bocking c1799 on 13-11-1820 in Sudbury
They have children Charles 18921 - 1830, Sarah 1823 - 1830, James 1825 - 1832
These children all die young and so does father James in 1829 (all possibly from an smallpox epidemic?)
Elizabeth then marries William Bocking c1807 on 30-07-1830 in Sudbury, they have son William Bocking Rogers c1831 and thus begins the name 'Bocking Rogers' and why? that has become an obsession for me. Some within my family believe that William c1831 was the son of Elizabeth and James Bocking and some believe Elizabeth and William.
Anyway, the children of William c1831 and Christiana Lee also receive the "Bocking Rogers' name at birth. Some cling to the name and use it here and there and others not. After this generation, the 'Bocking Rogers' name disappears. My gt gt gt grandfather and William's brother Charles Bocking Rogers, was known and referred to by future generations as 'old Bocking'.
A long story, but something that occupies much of my time and also something I hope to solve one day  ::)

Oh I see, you are intrigued by the Rogers part of the name  ;D

This tree on FS says his father was William Rogers and mother was Elizabeth Bocking Tiffin (sic).

Possible marriage record as Elizabeth Booking https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJKW-55V?lang=en

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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 27 May 25 09:28 BST (UK) »
dear all,
can anyone help with regard to a possible will for William Rogers 1852 - 1918 or wife Mary Ann (Myers) Rogers 1852 - 1921? 
I have tried my best but do not have much experience with probates/wills  ???
Many thanks in advance
Pete  ::)
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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 10 June 25 13:04 BST (UK) »
It is quite likely that neither had signficant enough of an estate behind to require probate.  The majority of people did not.
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Re: Suicide 1918, Mansford street, Bethnal Green
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 17 June 25 00:54 BST (UK) »
I can see no probate records for either of them, after looking at the Probate Index on Anc., which covers the time period.