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Elsie Brian: life after 1930?
« on: Monday 12 May 25 13:43 BST (UK) »
Hey all! Currently looking into my great-grandfather's first wife, Elsie Brian - born 1906 (aged 15 years, 3 months in the 1921 census) in Staffordshire. She relocated to Northumberland and in 1928, she married my great-grandfather Robert Robinson. They had a son Bobby (Robert) in 1930.

That is the last record I can find of Elsie: by the 1939 register, they were divorced (Robert's marital status states this) and Robert and Bobby were living with Robert's mother, grandmother and cousin. Elsie was not living with her mother Mary Ellen and step-father Alexander Wakenshaw (as she was in 1921 with her other siblings). I do not know if her father was still alive, her brothers Stephen, George and Bertie had moved to Australia, she wasn't living with her brother William, and I can't find anything other than birth records for her other siblings: Harry, Phyllis, Hilda, Sarah Ellen, Richard and Joseph.

Robert re-married in 1942 and my grandfather was the result of this marriage. He doesn't believe that he ever met Elsie as he did not know her name until I uncovered it through record searches; he's said that Bobby did visit Elsie but cannot remember where.

Any help/research advice is greatly appreciated!
England: Clark (Cumberland), Davies (Shropshire), Grey (Northumberland), Hetherington (Northumberland), Hoverd (Oxfordshire), McKnight (Cumberland), McPherson (Northumberland), Robinson (Northumberland)
Scotland: Horn (Midlothian, 1600s)

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Re: Elsie Brian: life after 1930?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 12 May 25 16:04 BST (UK) »
For anyone wanting to search Elsie's date of birth was the 21st March 1906.

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Re: Elsie Brian: life after 1930?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 May 25 18:19 BST (UK) »
Richard Brian went to Calcutta 1925 (corrected year) he gave an address of 39 South Villas, Ashington Northumberland

UPDATED He returned 1926 gave the same address. 

This is the same address Stephen gave when he went to Australia 1923.

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Re: Elsie Brian: life after 1930?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 May 25 18:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Daniel,

If your grandfather remembers that Bobby visited Elsie, it's possible to establish a time frame to search for her death or a possible second marriage. Can you tell us what time frame we're talking about?
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Re: Elsie Brian: life after 1930?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 May 25 18:55 BST (UK) »
This marriage looks promising.

Marriages Jun 1937   

Brian    Elsie    Harris    Stoke    6b   479    
Harris    Thomas    Robinson    Stoke    6b   479    
Harris    Thomas    Brian    Stoke    6b   479   
Robinson    Elsie    Harris    Stoke    6b   479    

Can be found on 1939, Elsie's dob 23.3.1906

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Re: Elsie Brian: life after 1930?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 May 25 18:58 BST (UK) »
Richard Brian was with Jane Ann Wiltshire nee Marsh 1921

GRO Index- children
Richard W Brian 1918 reg. Morpeth mother's maiden name Marsh

George W Brian 1919     same

Stephen Brian reg. 1921 Morpeth mother's maiden name Wiltshire (her previous married name not maiden name)

I haven't found a marriage.

Possible other children
William F 1923
Reginald   1924
Kenneth 1926
Stanley 1929.
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Jane Ann Marsh married Norris E Wiltshire 1914 reg. Morpeth
daughter Lydia Ann Wiltshire born 1914 mother's maiden name Marsh
 

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Re: Elsie Brian: life after 1930?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 12 May 25 19:00 BST (UK) »
Name   ******  Harris
Registration Date   Jan 1938
[Feb 1938]
[Mar 1938]
Registration Quarter   Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District   Stoke on Trent
Inferred County   Staffordshire
Mother's Maiden Name   Brian
Volume Number   6b
Page number   363

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Re: Elsie Brian: life after 1930?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 12 May 25 19:03 BST (UK) »
Well done, soflty softly  :)
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Re: Elsie Brian: life after 1930?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 12 May 25 19:07 BST (UK) »
As per 1939 war register. This birth was re-registered in 1937 after parents married.

Name   ******  Harris
Registration Date   Oct 1934
[Nov 1934]
[Dec 1934]
Registration Quarter   Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District   Battersea
Inferred County   London
Mother's Maiden Name   Brian
Page number   D37

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