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Children of Dissenters in Eaglesham
« on: Monday 12 May 25 12:58 BST (UK) »
Hi folks,

My latest request for help is related to some birth records I've obtained for my 4th great-grandparents and their children who were born between the years 1804 and 1818. I had a list of all their birth dates in advance, so I was surprised to find that there was no listing for them in the Eaglesham parish records for the dates concerned.

However, I did finally find them in a later section under the heading 'Children of Dissenters,' and I was hoping that someone here would be able to clue me in on what that would refer to in that time and place. My basic understanding at the moment is that this would refer to people who were unhappy with some aspect of church matters.

Any help would be much appreciated.

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Re: Children of Dissenters in Eaglesham
« Reply #1 on: Monday 12 May 25 13:06 BST (UK) »
I think it refers to a member of a non-established Church - basically a Nonconformist.
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Re: Children of Dissenters in Eaglesham
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 May 25 13:20 BST (UK) »
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"English Dissenters" on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Dissenters
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Re: Children of Dissenters in Eaglesham
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 May 25 22:00 BST (UK) »
Dissenters, in Scotland, are those who belong to (presbyterian) denominations that have broken away from the (presbyterian) Church of Scotland. They are not the same as English Dissenters who broke away from the Church of England, so the Wikipedia article is not relevant to this thread.

The term 'non-conformist' pre-dates the union of Parliaments in 1707, and specifically means someone who refuses to conform to the Act of Unity passed by the English Parliament in 1662. Therefore it has no meaning in relation to Scotland. All denominations in Scotland except the Episcopal Church of Scotland would have been non-conformists in relation to the 1662 Act if it had applied to Scotland, which it doesn't.

The list of dissenting denominations is many and varied: Auld Lichts, New Lichts, Burghers, Antiburghers, Cameronians, Bereans, Secession Church etc, all of which existed in the 18th century. In the 19th and 20th century there were others: Free Church, Free Presbyterian Church (often known as Seceders), United Presbyterian, Reformed Presbyterian to name but a few. And in the 21st century there are umpteen more separate denominations; too many to mention.

And then, of course, there are the separate denominations like the Society of Friends (Quakers), Baptists, Methodists etc, and non-Christian religions like Judasim.

From the point of view of family historians, the point to note is that not all the surviving registers of dissenting denominations are available at Scotland's People. The vast majority are, but some are either not held by the National Records of Scotland, or the congregations who own them have not given permission for them to be digitised.












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Re: Children of Dissenters in Eaglesham
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 May 25 23:33 BST (UK) »
Thanks, folks, and thanks Forfarian for that detailed reply.

As I wrote above, my query was in relation to the children of my 4th great-grandparents, so I've been going through the records I have for subsequent generations to see if there are any indications of which denomination they were associated with.

The marriages and births I have recorded for the remainder of their time in Eaglesham are all recorded as normal, with no indication of any separation. My 3rd great-grandparents moved to Glasgow in 1849, and in the wedding certifcates for the family in the years following they are all recorded as having married in the United Presbyterian Church.

I see online that the Relief Church and the United Secession Church joined together in 1847 to form the United Presbyterian Church, and, of the two, the Relief Church was the one that was active in the dates mentioned in my original query, so perhaps something to look into further. Of course, I realise that their affiliation with the United Presbyterian Church in Glasgow in later years might be unrelated to their time in Eaglesham fifty years before.