Family connection to Russian Tsar's family - Help needed please

[LizzieL]

Edward Ryan might be Edward Charles Ryan mmn Fleet reg Pancras Q1 1881
There is a marriage for an Alfred Frederick Ryan Q2 1875 Islington. One of the possible brides is Amy Jane Fleet

[LizzieL]

Marriage record on Ancestry, Alfred is a Piano Forte finisher age 22 s/o Joseph Ryan deceased - plumber

[Viktoria]

At TsarskoeSelo,a palaceThe Royal  family were very fond of, there is a room with the children’s toys,some clothes etc ,very poignant .

Viktoria.

[aghadowey]

Going back to your original post-

One of the stories in my family was regarding the wife of my great'grandmother's brother, Florence Rose Ryan. She married James B Higgins in London in 1916. Her son told me that her grandmother worked as a nanny to the Russian Tsar's children. He said that she was well liked by the family and received a pension after she came back to England. He couldn't remember her name or any other details.

If Florence Rose Ryan was born 1891 and her grandmother was nanny to the Tsar's children then that takes you quite a bit further than Tsar Nicholas II.
Long before 1900 English nanny's and nursery servants were fairly common amongst the nobility in Russia.
It would make sense to trace both of Florence's grandmothers before their marriages, check for them in U.K. census records, etc. then try to figure out which Tsar's children might have been her charges (if the story is correct and hasn't gotten muddled over the years) as well as search for clues in newspapers.

[deejayEn]

Thanks for all your replies.

mckha489 - you are right about the age being wrong. I hadn't spotted that.  And yes on the birth cert the mother's name is Roberts, I forgot to mention that. I can't see the DOB but I have complained to the GRO, hoping thy will correct it.

The Wiliam and Sarah on the 1894 baptism sem to be William Ryan and Sarah Couchman who marred in 1880. But there is no sign on a Florence or Rose being their daughter. And why is the monters name Roberts on the 1891 birth Cert?

maddys52 - I think you might be right that the death s another Florence and the 1894 baptism is my one.

Regarding the nanny Florence's son Charlie Higgins told my mum that it was his mum's grandma but he may have got it mixed up and it could be an aunt, so its posible that Margaret Eager is his mum's relative.

Jennaya - I suppose the Ryan ancestor could have been a nurse rather than a nanny, I wsn't given many details.

I also saw there was a woman called Nellie Ryan who was a nanny to  the Archduke Karl Stefan of Habsburg, maybe that is more likely as the name is correct, but I can find no biog details for her and it all just adds to the confusion.

LizzieL - I saw Edward Ryan in 1901 and wondered if there was a connection but its hard to piece it all together. i will look into that family and see if it works.

ghadowey - you're right about the dates. But usually in most family stories there is some truth in it even if it is distorted in time, so maybe it was Florence's aunt or great aunt who might be younger than her grandmother.

jorose - I will check the witnesses names when I get home.

It would be nice to know the answer because my grandmother Florence Wisby was named after Florence Ryan and we have postcards she sent when my nan was born, so I'd love to find an answer.

[Rena]

This has been an interesting thread to read.  A high status family such as the Russian Tzar would probably have had somebody recommend a governess or nursery nurse to the Tsarina. 

For others trying to research their ancestors, there were also the training colleges for young ladies from well to do families who had fallen on hard times:-

"Norland College
Norlanders, as the alumni of the college are often called, successfully complete their training at the most prestigious nanny training school in the world -- Norland College in the beautiful city of Bath in England. The renowned school was founded by Teacher Emily Ward in 1892"

"Young ladies often trained to become governesses through a combination of formal education, practical experience, and societal expectations. While formal training was minimal, some governesses did receive certificates from institutions like Queen's College in London. Many governesses had similar backgrounds to their pupils, emphasizing social grace and "lady-like" qualities. Dame schools, which taught basic skills and provided modest childcare, were also important for the development of young girls who might later become governesses"

[deejayEn]

Just checked the witnesses on the 1916 marriage in Walthamstow, they are groom's father and groom's sister and husband, no relatives of Florence Ryan which may be significant. I wonder who gave her away if her dad was deceased?