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Looking for Info on William Kelly
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Hi,

I am looking for some info on William Kelly. He married Ann Guidera, in I believe 1893 or around in Mountrath in Laois.

He died around the 1930 I believe and he lived in Shannon Street on the 1901 and 1911 Census if I am correct. His father was listed on his marriage record as being deceased when William was married to Ann. I believe Thomas to have died in 1888 in Mountrath as there is such a record that exists, but I could be wrong. Also the timeline would make sense as by the time William was married he was deceased a few years after. William's marriage record lists his mother as Mary. There was a record apparently for a Thomas Kelly and a Mary Hurly in Mountrath around Feb 1859. I wonder ift his is William's parents.

There is conflicting info on his birth. His grave, I believe lists him as being born in Mountrath in 1866. As far as I am aware, there is no such matching record for him. Ancestry hinted that his birth could have been in Roscrea but to parents Ellen Salmon and Michael Kelly. Which of course conflicts with his marriage records. So I am doubtful about that. Although many people on Ancestry have them on their trees but I do believe it to be wrong as the evidence suggests otherwise; also this is not the first time people have attached the wrong records and made the incorrect assumptions; I had it with another ancestor before.

Here is the FindaGrave page for William: William Kelly

Son of Michael and Mary Kelly, of Mountrath ?

Marriage.
William Kelly, a bachelor, an Army Pensioner, from Mountrath, son of Thomas Kelly (deceased), a Labourer, and Anne Guidera, a spinster, from Mountrath, daughter of Thomas Guidera, a Car Driver, were married in St. Fintan's Church, Mountrath, on 3 July 1893.

In the 1901 census, the Kelly family were living at Coote Street, Mountrath. William was not recorded with his family.

present were,
Nannie Kelly, aged 26, a housekeeper,
Mary, daughter, aged 7,
Thomas, son, aged 5,
Kathleen, daughter, aged 2,

In the 1911 census, the Kelly family were living at Shannon Street, Mountrath.

present were,
William Kelly, aged 48, a House Painter, married,
Anne, his wife, aged 37, married,
They had been married 17 years and had 7 children, 6 of whom were alive.

Mary Kate, daughter, aged 16,
Thomas, son, aged 15, a House Painter's Apprentice,
Kathleen, daughter, aged 12,
Anne, daughter, aged 8,
William, son, aged 4, [b. 5 Aug. 1906]
Margaret, daughter, aged 2, [b. 11 Dec. 1908]

John Guyder, a visitor, aged 78, a Farm Servant,

all had been born in Queen's Co.

Although recorded as a "visitor", John Guyder was possibly Anne's Uncle.

William was a soldier in the British Army.
He enlisted in 1885, and served in India and Nova Scotia, Canada, until 1893, when he transferred to the reserves.
He re-joined in 1900 and served in South Africa during the Boer War [1899-1902], and was therefore absent for the 1901 census.
He returned to Ireland in 1902, and remained in Ireland until the start of WW1, when he re-enlisted from the reserves.
His unit was sent to Gallipoli in 1915, and they were amongst those put ashore at Suvla Bay in the period April-July 1915. The last of the troops were withdrawn in January 1916.
William was discharged due to being medically unfit on 2nd July 1916.

The date on the headstone is incorrect. The correct date is 4 July 1936.
Death.
William Kelly, aged 62, married, a Painter, died on 4 July 1936, at Mountrath.
The cause of death was Bronchitis, 2 years, Heart Failure, 3 days, certified.
His death was registered on 11 July 1936, by William Kelly, son, present at death, of Maryborough Road, Mountrath.

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Re: Looking for Info on William Kelly
« Reply #1 on: Today at 15:23 »
Is this Thomas Kelly's death - reg Dist Mountrath, Union of Mountmellick.

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Re: Looking for Info on William Kelly
« Reply #2 on: Today at 15:38 »
Death.
William Kelly, aged 62, married, a Painter, died on 4 July 1936, at Mountrath.
The cause of death was Bronchitis, 2 years, Heart Failure, 3 days, certified.
His death was registered on 11 July 1936, by William Kelly, son, present at death, of Maryborough Road, Mountrath.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1936/04797/4290300.pdf

Looks more like 7th July 1936.
(See eleventh written at #378)

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Re: Looking for Info on William Kelly
« Reply #3 on: Today at 16:34 »
Is this Thomas Kelly's death - reg Dist Mountrath, Union of Mountmellick.

Yes, I believe that is him.

I am not 100% confident, but it seems most likely considering how everyhting else aligns with the dates... as in him being deceased on William's marriage certificate and also the location of the death, too seems like it might be him. I haven't come across any other death record that I thought might be him.


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Re: Looking for Info on William Kelly
« Reply #6 on: Today at 19:00 »
Is this Thomas Kelly's death - reg Dist Mountrath, Union of Mountmellick.

Yes, I believe that is him.

I am not 100% confident, but it seems most likely considering how everyhting else aligns with the dates... as in him being deceased on William's marriage certificate and also the location of the death, too seems like it might be him. I haven't come across any other death record that I thought might be him.

Is his address "Newtown" - difficult to make out what's written in the register?

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« Reply #7 on: Today at 20:00 »

The date on the headstone is incorrect. The correct date is 4 July 1936.
Death.


The date carved on the headstone was 4 July 1935.
https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2018/224/127335877_8bb3c9f3-5cd9-4fc3-90e0-e5fd6d25833d.jpeg

Anne Kelly - her death record - 14 January 1964.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1964/04271/4097699.pdf


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Re: Looking for Info on William Kelly
« Reply #8 on: Today at 21:03 »
Is this Thomas Kelly's death - reg Dist Mountrath, Union of Mountmellick.

Yes, I believe that is him.

I am not 100% confident, but it seems most likely considering how everyhting else aligns with the dates... as in him being deceased on William's marriage certificate and also the location of the death, too seems like it might be him. I haven't come across any other death record that I thought might be him.

Is his address "Newtown" - difficult to make out what's written in the register?

It does look like it says "Newtown", but I am pretty sure (But again not 100% confident but quite) That it says Moonbaun. Which would make sense given it is in Mountrath.