William & Catherine Sullivan (nee O'Shea) of Greenwich Village

[dweber1429]

Thank you ALL!! These are amazing and I'll follow up on all your ideas today, make a comprehensive list of all your ideas and start researching!! I'll let you know what I find.

So grateful for your leads... I was truly beginning to give up.  Ya'll are amazing

I'm headed to Ireland and Scotland in September. I'll visit Edinburgh Scotland and Cavan County Ireland for the Kemp/Latimer side of my family.  I'm really hoping I can crack something for the Sullivan / O'Shea side.

[oldohiohome]

I just found your tree.

The Kate Shea arrival in 1882 -
Could Kate have been traveling with one of the women listed above or below her? Where did they go and where were they from, if you can find them?

Marriage of Wm Sullivan to Sara Connor in 1839 - There would need to be a previous marriage of a Sarah Simpson to a Mr Connor. Is there one? I don't know if a woman's second marriage was recorded on the church registers under her married or maiden name. I think it was the married name with a "formerly" added.

It would have been nice if one of the witnesses to that marriage was named Simpson.

It is really too bad you can't find William in 1880.

[shellyesq]

Regarding the religion question, I looked at the marriages of the children.

Kathleen married by city clerk - https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/8810346

Harold married by minister George Alexander of 47 University Place - https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/9509772  This minister appears to be Presbyterian.  https://genealogytrails.com/ny/saratoga/bios.html

William Jr. married by clergyman Laurence Hosie with residence address in Brooklyn https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/9486639

It looks like Laurence Hosie appeared at various churches, but was mentioned in reference to Judson Memorial Church in newspapers and here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judson_Memorial_Church  That fits with the location of the family.

[oldohiohome]

Regarding the religion question, I looked at the marriages of the children.

That might have done it.
Protestant marriages were recorded earlier.

Are these his parents?
Marriage record for Jeremiah Sullivan and Sarah Simpson
Group registration ID: 3216521
SR District/Reg Area: Cork

Party 1 Name:    Jeremiah Sullivan
Party 2 Name:    Sarah Simpson
Date of Event:    07/10/1851
Group Registration ID:    3216521
SR District/Reg Area:    Cork
Image path:    marriage_returns\marriages_1851\09407\5407823.tif

Parish Church, Parish of the Holy Trinity, City of Cork
October 7, 1851
Jeremiah Sullivan, of full age, bachelor, teacher, residence: Queloyne?, father: Michael Sullivan, a gardener
Sarah Simpson, of full age, spinster,  teacher, residence: Morrison's Quay, father: John Simpson, a pensioner
she signed with her mark
married after banns by Robt Maguire [can't read his degree or id. it looks like CLR - clergy? clerk?]
witnesses Ralph Hodges and Denis O'Connor

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=8f6abc883a-2038174

still working on Jeremiah's residence

[oldohiohome]

* For Maria Sullivan in Manhattan
married 8 February 1881, New York County
Robert Roundtree, 27, born in Ireland, single, parents: Robert Roundtree and Ann Hungerford
Maria Sullivan, 26 born in Ireland, single, parents: Jeremiah Sullivan and Sarah Simpson
Event Place   New York County, New York, United States
Event Place (Original)   Manhattan, New York
Source Details   cn 11303

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24S3-9L7?lang=en

* her children
William Roundtree
Father's Name   Robert Roundtree
Mother's Name   Myrae Sulvian
Event Type   Birth
Event Date   19 Jan 1886
Event Place   Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Event Place (Original)   Manhattan, New York
Source Details   cn 447599

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WMD-28G?lang=en

* son William's death
   William Rowntree
Sex   Male
Age   0
Birth Year (Estimated)   1886
Birthplace   New York, New York, NY
Residence Place   New York, New York, NY
Burial Date   8 Jul 1886
Burial Place   New York, New York, NY
Marital Status   Married
Father's Name   Robert Rowntree
Father's Sex   Male
Father's Birthplace   Ireland
Mother's Name   Maria Rowntree
Mother's Sex   Female
Mother's Birthplace   Ireland
Event Type   Death
Event Date   8 Jul 1886
Event Place   Manhattan, New York County, New York, United States
Event Place (Original)   Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Certificate Number   cn 568362
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WJT-2BT?lang=en


* John Rontree
Race   White
Father's Name   Robert Rontree
Father's Birthplace   Ireland
Mother's Name   Maria Sullivan
Mother's Birthplace   Ireland
Event Type   Birth
Event Date   12 Feb 1884
Event Place   Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Event Place (Original)   Manhattan, New York
Source Details   cn 389719
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WMS-RCZ?lang=en


* For Maria Sullivan in Manhattan
married 8 February 1881, New York County
Robert Roundtree, 27, born in Ireland, single, parents: Robert Roundtree and Ann Hungerford
Maria Sullivan, 26 born in Ireland, single, parents: Jeremiah Sullivan and Sarah Simpson
Event Place   New York County, New York, United States
Event Place (Original)   Manhattan, New York
Source Details   cn 11303

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24S3-9L7?lang=en

* her children
William Roundtree
Father's Name   Robert Roundtree
Mother's Name   Myrae Sulvian
Event Type   Birth
Event Date   19 Jan 1886
Event Place   Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Event Place (Original)   Manhattan, New York
Source Details   cn 447599

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WMD-28G?lang=en

son William's death
   William Rowntree
Sex   Male
Age   0
Birth Year (Estimated)   1886
Birthplace   New York, New York, NY
Residence Place   New York, New York, NY
Burial Date   8 Jul 1886
Burial Place   New York, New York, NY
Marital Status   Married
Father's Name   Robert Rowntree
Father's Sex   Male
Father's Birthplace   Ireland
Mother's Name   Maria Rowntree
Mother's Sex   Female
Mother's Birthplace   Ireland
Event Type   Death
Event Date   8 Jul 1886
Event Place   Manhattan, New York County, New York, United States
Event Place (Original)   Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Certificate Number   cn 568362
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WJT-2BT?lang=en


John Rontree
Race   White
Father's Name   Robert Rontree
Father's Birthplace   Ireland
Mother's Name   Maria Sullivan
Mother's Birthplace   Ireland
Event Type   Birth
Event Date   12 Feb 1884
Event Place   Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Event Place (Original)   Manhattan, New York
Source Details   cn 389719
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WMS-RCZ?lang=en

cn = certificate numbers, which might make the record easier to find.

[shellyesq]

Good finds! 

Robert Rountree died in 1885 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WJT-S8P?lang=en

Maria remarried to William H. Chatterton in 1887  - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24H4-QB2?lang=en

[oldohiohome]

images
indexed in 1882 but the date of the certificate says 1881. either the minister or the indexers got it wrong.
Robert Rountree and Maria Sullivan
married 8 February 1881 by Thomas Henry Lee, pastor, St Christopher's Church. his residence: 204 West 39th
witnesses James Brown and William Cairns

Robert Rountree of 227 West 40th, age next birthday: 27, a coachman, born in Ireland,
Maria Sullivan of 27 Beekman Place, age next birthday: 26, born in Ireland
first marriage for both
parents as named in the last post.

https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/11977894

son William's birth
at 246 West 36th
19 January 1886
Myrae/Maria's age 30, born in Ireland

https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/282502

sons John's birth
at 304 West 22nd
Maria's age not given, born in Ireland
the father Robert was a coachman on both birth records
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/138528

haven't found son William's death yet.

[shellyesq]

William H. Chatterton & Maria Sullivan's marriage record has a Lizzie Sullivan as a witness.  https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/7822105

[oldohiohome]

Robert Rountree and Maria Sullivan
married 8 February 1881 by Thomas Henry Lee, pastor, St Christopher's Church. his residence: 204 West 39th
witnesses James Brown and William Cairns

It wasn't St Christopher's, it was St Chrysostom's. and it was an Episcopal church.

from a photo collection
Church, St. Chrysostom Chapel (39th St. & 7th Ave.).
Description Taken from opposite corner of St. Chrysostom Protestant Episcopal Church.
https://collections.mcny.org/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&VBID=24UAYWF4L83I&PN=20&DocRID=2F3XC5Q8Z6I&FR_=1&W=1600&H=764

from a history of the church
[1924 I think]
The New York Times explained “St. Chrysostom’s Chapel…was abandoned by Trinity Parish because of increasing commercial invasions of the neighborhood.  The officials of Trinity Parish entered into an agreement with Mr. Sparks [of St. Clement’s Episcopal Church on West 46th Street] to provide a church home for the members of St. Chrysostom’s."  In return, Trinity paid for much-needed structural repairs of St. Clement’s.

http://daytoninmanhattan.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-lost-st-chrysostoms-chapel-7th.html