Thomas Kirtland

[Nifty1]

Please can somebody inform me of the basic details of Thomas Kirtland that married Jane Winter in London in the June q of 1882 ?

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aged 40, a bachelor, occupation-servant, father John Kirtland-occupation Cord wainer.

Jane, aged 31, spinster, Father Joseph Winter--occupation Carpenter.

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added, his birth

KIRTLAND, THOMAS       COLLINS 
GRO Reference: 1841  D Quarter in THAME UNION  Volume 16  Page 115

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1881 census

Piece   119   Folio   41   Page number   20

George J.F. Hatton 65 Head
Thomas Kirtland   38   Servant
Eliza Stent 26 Servant
Isabella J. Little 21 Servant


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Birth & death of son

KIRTLAND, ARTHUR  WILLIAM     WINTER 
GRO Reference: 1882  D Quarter in ST GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE  Volume 01A  Page 455

KIRTLAND, ARTHUR  WILLIAM     18 
GRO Reference: 1901  M Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 416


Death of father

KIRTLAND, THOMAS       aged49 
GRO Reference: 1891  M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND  Volume 02B  Page 368

Jane & Arthur in 1891

Piece   859
Folio   69
Page 12

Jane Kirtland   40   Boarder
Arthur W Kirtland 8   Boarder

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Jane remarried.

Marriages Jun 1891   

Kirtland    Jane        Portsea    2b   930    
McNamara    James        Portsea    2b   930    

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Bapt 18 Dec 1850, St Mary the Virgin, Ware
JANE Winter, Parents JOSEPH/ELIZABETH
Father a Carpenter

Possible Burial same Church for Joseph WINTER 05 Nov 1855 age 43

1871 we have;
Elizabeth Winter 54 Widow
Henry Winter 24 Son Masons Lab
Jane Winter 20   Daughter Servant
Owen Winter 18 Son Baker
Elizabeth Winter 7 Granddaughter
All born Ware

1861 she is with her Lambert Aunt

On Anc 1851 the family is under Winters.

Birth Reg;
WINTER, JANE mmn LAMBERT 
GRO Reference: 1850  D Quarter in WARE  Volume 06  Page 620

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Sorry I have gone off topic chasing the Winters.

If Sarah, Aunt of Jane 1861 Census, is correct in hear dob she was bapt 22 Jan 1806 Ware to THOMAS/JANE.

So Elizabeth Lambert bapt 16 Jul 1815 same Church to Thomas/Jane
Father a Bargeman

Possible Marriage 15 Nov 1799 Hertford to Jane DENNIS
Looks like as they bapt Ware; + 2 above
Ann 1800
Sarah 1803 cant see burial
Mary Ann 1808

Thomas L buried 01 Sep 1844 age 63
Jane L buried 02 May 1850 age 73

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Thomas is easy to find 1851/1861 with his parents JOHN/ANN in Thame

John KIRTLAND married Ann COLLINS 16 Jun. 1834 Thame, Oxfordshire

1841 in Thame;
Jno Kirtland 30 Shoemaker
Ann Kirtland 25
Lucy Kirtland 7
Samuel Kirtland 5
John Kirtland 3
William Kirtland 1

[Nifty1]

Thanks for your replies.
Certainly a can of worms afic.
I will try and sort something out asap.

# lots of promising echos

Uncle said something about Cord wainer
Also
Myggf or gggf?

William Kirtland was born at Charlton on Ottmoor about 1806, the child of Samuel and Ann. He was married to Sophia Yates 24 March 1834 at Thame by T. T Lee.
It seemed that William could write well where as Sophia signed the register with a X.
They had seven children together.
One of their daughters, Mary, married into the  Seagrave or Seagrove family. They had a shop on or near the Windsor Road at Sough
William  died in 1892 having lived a long life of 86 years.

I was under the impression that John K was a farmer and may have made a mistake somewhere.