Mysterious George Chambers!

[aidansrest]

Hi

I have bought a copy marriage certificate between George Chambers and Jane Layden.

They married in the Register Office, Sculcoates, Yorkshire on the 7th March 1882.
George gave his age as 22 years, a boilermaker, living in Osborne Street, Hull, his father was named as John Chambers - a solicitor's clerk.

Jane was 20 years of age, living in New George Street, Sculcoates, her father was John Layden, a bricklayer's labourer.

Jane and and family are simple to follow, and one of Jane's brother's, Luke, stood as a witness.
The other witness was a 'F Countney'

It is George who is proving problematic.

He doesnt appear with Jane on any of the census following their marriage - in 1891 she is still listed as married, (her mother and younger brother are living with her and her children) but by 1901, she is widowed (supposedly).

Looking at the 1881 census I can find a George Chambers, born c1858 in Beverley, living with his married sister, Hannah Myers, born c1853 - her husband, Alfred and a daughter, Ada, who was 12 years of age.
George was listed as being a boilermaker., so far so good!

Going back 10 years, this particular George is living with his parents, John Chambers, his wife, Margaret, two other daughters, Anne and Margaret, and a 'daughter', Ada, who was 2 years of age.

Going back to 1861, both George and Hannah can be found with their parents, John and Margaret, and siblings, Mary, John and Margaret, living in Silvester Lane, Beverley.
However, John Chambers is listed as being a labourer on both 1861 and 1871 census - not a solicitor's clerk!

Ada Chambers married, as Ada Smith Chambers, in St Peter, Drypool on the 18th January 1888 to James Conroy (father Patrick Conroy).
She left the space for her father's name blank, and gave her age, correctly, as 19 years.
One of the witnesses was a George Chambers (our George?), and the other was her mother, Hannah Bryars (Myers?)

So, can anybody prove that the George Chambers who married Jane Layden, was this particular George, or was he someone else?

Many Thanks

Sue

[Milliepede]

Have you found John in 1881 to see what his occupation was?

Not unheard of for someone to make a better one up either for themselves or a father. 

[aidansrest]

Well, this is the thing, I can't find John in 1881, I'm guessing he has died.
But also George disappears after his marriage.
Pretty certain he stood as a witness at his niece's marriage in 1888, but was not with his wife, Jane, in 1891.

Also...another strange thing is that on the 1881 census Hannah does appear as Hannah Bryars married to a Joesph Bryars, along with a daughter, Adam.
She witnessed her daughter's marriage as Hannah Bryars, but I'm certain it's her and Ada with Alfred Myers and George Chambers the same census year!

Sue

[aidansrest]

In addition, and again, very mysteriously, George's sister, Hannah, had married a Joseph Bryars in St Mary, Beverley on the 14th May 1871.
Her mother, Margaret Chambers, was a witness.

Hannah named her father as John Chambers an attorney's clerk!

Hannah had given birth to an illegitimate daughter, Ada, born during the March quarter of 1869.

This is where the mystery deepens - I think I have found Hannah and Ada in 1881, with George, staying with them.
George had been born c1858, and was a boilermaker (as confirmed on his own marriage certificate).
However, Hannah and Ada are named as 'Myers' and Hannah appears to be married to an Alfred Myers, aged 30 years, a coal porter from London.
Hannah also appears in 1881 as Hannah Bryars (married to Joseph) with daughter, Ada, whose age was given wrongly as 2 years old.

Ada married James Conroy in St Peter, Drypool on the 18th January 1888, not naming a father, but witnesses were Hannah Bryars and George Chambers!

Hannah went on to remarry during the March quarter of 1895 to David Berry.

The 1911 census finds her visiting Ada and James Conroy, named correctly as Ada's mother.

Hannah was born c1853 and George c1858 - both name their father as John Chambers when they marry and both appear together in 1861 with John and Margaret Chambers, but he is a labourer!

Can anybody shed any light!

Sue 

[Milliepede]

So it's Joseph Bryers versus Alfred Myers - interesting mix up - could they be the same person.

Will have a look at census.

[Milliepede]

When Hannah remarries what surname does she have?  Is father's info still the same. 

Can we find a death for her previous husband?

However, Hannah and Ada are named as 'Myers' and Hannah appears to be married to an Alfred Myers, aged 30 years, a coal porter from London.
Hannah also appears in 1881 as Hannah Bryars (married to Joseph) with daughter, Ada, whose age was given wrongly as 2 years old.

What addresses are they at?

[Milliepede]

Joseph Bryars death in Hull age 39 in 1892 could that be him

What is Hannah up to in 1891?  She should be with Joseph till 1892. 

[aidansrest]

I think Hannah appears twice in 1881

Alfred Myers - born 1851 in London - coal porter
Hannah Myers - born 1853 Beverley
Ada Myers - born 1869 - Beverley
George Chambers - born 1858 - Beverley (a boilermaker) - brother to Hannah
Living at 3 Ashtons Square, Kingston-Upon-Hull

Joseph Bryars - born 1853 - Hull General labourer
Hannah Bryars - born 1853 - Hull
Ada Bryars - born 1879 - Hull
Living in 27 Bourne Street, Hull

Hannah Chambers married Joseph Bryars in St Mary, Beverley on the 14th May 1871
Named her father as John Chambers - attorney's clerk
Her mother, Margaret Chambers, was one of the witnesses.

She had given birth to Ada during the March quarter of 1869.

Ada married James Conroy in St Peter, Drypool on the 18th January 1888 (no father's name given), her age given as 19 years.
Her mother, Hannah Bryars, was a witnesses, as was George Chambers.

Hannah remarried during the March quarter of 1895 to David Berry.
She appears with James and Ada on the 1911 census as Hannah Berry.

The reason I believe that Hannah Myers and Hannah Bryars are one in the same is the presence of George Chambers, listed as Hannah's brother, and of Ada, (correct age) when she is listed with Alfred Myers.

Also think I have found the family in 1851 - (prior to Hannah and George's birth). John Chambers, born c1816 is living with Margaret Smith (who is listed as being married), with her daughter Mary (who appears as 'Chambers' in 1861).
John is a 'scrivener' - a copyist or writer of official or formal documents.

Sue
 

[Milliepede]

There's a George age 42 who died in Hull Mar 1901 which would fit wife Jane's census entry status