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Re: Darby McAuliffe
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 29 April 25 08:20 BST (UK) »
Hi Sparrett,

I just thought I’d pop in to see if Jeannie R had had any replies and WOW!

Great detective work, Sue  8) 8) :)

Regards,

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Re: Darby McAuliffe
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 29 April 25 08:26 BST (UK) »
Darby is a name used for Jeremiah in Ireland.
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Re: Darby McAuliffe
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 29 April 25 09:55 BST (UK) »
This is all fantastic news. Thank you all so much.

I put him “on hold “ for a while. It is amazing how new facts become available, especially in Ireland. Derby son married in England in 1861. His first daughter was called Johanna, so I think this puts meat on the bones, so to speak.
Thank you all again for your help. I know what I shall be doing, for the rest of the day !! My computer is going to take a hammering .

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Re: Darby McAuliffe
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 29 April 25 14:02 BST (UK) »
Yet again, thank you.

I had heard that Darby / Jeremiah were often the same. Does cause confusion!

Sue , I don’t know what to say, that is all terrific work. I am now so excited, can’t wait to delve into your information.

I started doing the Family Tree 20+ years ago, for my eleven grandchildren. Now I have five great grandchildren! So I had better get on with it whilst I am fit, and my mind working….

Thank You all again
JeannieR


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Re: Darby McAuliffe
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 30 April 25 01:04 BST (UK) »
Darby is a name used for Jeremiah in Ireland.

This is correct and I was about to enter this. 

The other point that you may be able to take a very tentative finding from is that Aussie Darby McAuliffe being the son, reported by Sparrett of Jeremiah and Joanna may be the third son of Jeremiah & Joanna with the two earlier sons named for the father's father and mother's father


Using Irish naming patterns here (from Mrs Google):

"Traditional Irish naming patterns involve naming children after close relatives based on their birth order and gender. For example, the first son would be named after his father's father, while the first daughter would be named after her mother's mother. This practice was prevalent in Ireland, especially from the late 18th century to the middle of the 20th century.

Elaboration:
First Son: Named after the father's father (paternal grandfather).
 
Second Son: Named after the mother's father (maternal grandfather).

Third Son: Named after the father.
 
First Daughter: Named after the mother's mother (maternal grandmother).

Second Daughter: Named after the father's mother (paternal grandmother).
Subsequent Children: The pattern continued with the fourth son named after the father's oldest brother and so on, with similar patterns for daughters.
Family History: This pattern can be a valuable tool for family history research, helping to identify relatives and their names.
Modern Usage: While traditional naming patterns are less common today, some families still adhere to them or use variations.
Cultural Significance: The practice reflects the importance of family history and honoring ancestors in Irish culture."

The only warnings I have about using this naming pattern as any more than a rough guide is that the Irish are less  likely than the Scots who also have a naming pattern to follow this slavishly.                       

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Re: Darby McAuliffe
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 30 April 25 01:50 BST (UK) »
Darby McAuliffe aka Jeremiah HANLAN.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62052852?searchTerm="Jeremiah Hanlan Darby M'AULIFF"

Jeremiah HANLAN 80yrs d. 10 March 1883, Jacksons Swamp, BATHURST, NSW. #5777/1883
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/deaths

There are several mentions about him on TROVE.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper

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Re: Darby McAuliffe
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 30 April 25 02:55 BST (UK) »
I am now having some doubts that the man departing Tasmania for Melbourne whose record of this can be seen here https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/
is the same as in Bathurst.

The Tasmanian departure date is 11th March 1852 and the first Bathurst sighting predates that, being March 9th 1852 when the horse was stolen from him.

Apart from that, this digitized record of Coastal passenger Tasmanian departure on Ancestry shows his name as Danby McANLIFFE aged 40, Irish birth and a labourer.

Also bear in mind,there is nothing to definitely conclude the Bathurst man is your convict. Only the name.

 
This record (Prisoner Description Book) gives his year of birth as 1812
 

https://www.ancestry.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1783/images/32246_223272-00432?usePUB=true&_phsrc=&_phstart=successSource&pId=171679

Darby Mc Cauliffe
Death Date 1849
Death Place Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Date 1849
Registration Place   Sydney, Australia
Volume Number   V1849493 117


Recorded as aged 50 on NSW bmd. LA is Roman Catholic St James

Conditional Pardon was 1848, so he was able to leave Tasmania if he wished.

Passenger Departure image.


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Re: Darby McAuliffe
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 30 April 25 11:20 BST (UK) »
Hi Sparrett,

I read the name in that passenger document as 'Danby MCAULIFF'. Just sayin'. The 'c' and the 'A' are different.

Best wishes,

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