Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic: Second name  (Read 434 times)

Offline kokomo

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 18
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Second name
« on: Sunday 27 April 25 15:36 BST (UK) »
Hello

Today I came across this record of baptism and I am struggling to understand the second name of the boy.

His name is Dennis but the second name could be Shirgen, Stirges, Shorges? It seems he had no father because his mother's name only appears (illegitimate perhaps?) I was wondering if the mother put as second name the possible name of the father, after all it was not uncommon to put other people's surname as second name, right?

Also, after his second name the inscription "bareborn" reads? What would that imply?

Thanks in advance

Offline Tickettyboo

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,246
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Second name
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 27 April 25 15:42 BST (UK) »
Second forename could be Sturgen and the other word is baseborn which means he was illegitimate

Boo

Offline Old Bristolian

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,078
  • Stephen Bumstead 1844-1903
    • View Profile
Re: Second name
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 27 April 25 15:55 BST (UK) »
I think it's Sturges, and as you say, a surname used as a middle name often 'points the finger' at the father.
Bumstead - London, Suffolk
Plant, Woolnough, Wase, Suffolk
Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
Street, Mitchell - Gloucestershire
Horwood, Heale Drew - Bristol
Gibbs, Gait, Noyes, Peters, Padfield, Board, York, Rogers, Horler, Heale, Emery, Clavey, Mogg, - Somerset
Fook, Snell - Devon
M(a)cDonald, Yuell, Gollan, McKenzie - Rosshire
McLennan, Mackintosh - Inverness
Williams, Jones - Angelsey & Caernarvon
Campbell, McMartin, McLellan, McKercher, Perthshire

Offline Neale1961

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,446
    • View Profile
Re: Second name
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 27 April 25 15:58 BST (UK) »
Sturges
Baseborn = illegitimate
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

Offline kokomo

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 18
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Second name
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 April 25 16:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the prompt feedback, much appreciated

Offline softly softly

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,901
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Second name
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 April 25 16:21 BST (UK) »
Info only, He was Dennis Sturges Humby, went on to marry and had a daughter.

Name   Emma Maria Humby
Gender   Female
Age   19
Birth Date   1840
Marriage Date   2 Jun 1859
Marriage Place   Southampton, Hampshire, England
Father   
Dennis Sturges Humby
Spouse   
Charles Colebrook


SS

Offline trish1120

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 28,830
  • Happy me
    • View Profile
Re: Second name
« Reply #6 on: Monday 28 April 25 11:38 BST (UK) »
May be relevant?

A Dennis STURGES Married a Mary CROUCH 29 Nov 1805, St Mary, Kingston Deverill, Wiltshire.

Possible baby daddy :)   
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

Offline kokomo

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 18
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Second name
« Reply #7 on: Monday 28 April 25 12:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks!

Mary Humby was born in 1774 and her son Dennis Sturges Jr was born in 1801 in Dinton Wiltshire so Dennis Sturges Sr might have been the person you're referring to, Trish

By the way, I found out yesterday that Mary had two other illegitimate sons: Henry (1808) and William (1822).

Offline kokomo

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 18
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Second name
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 29 April 25 00:36 BST (UK) »
Today I made some additional research on Mary Humby.

It seems she was written down on her own baptism record by her mother only: Elizabeth (no father registered it seems). This was around 1774.

Curiously Elizabeth was also registered with her mother's name as well. On her baptism record from 1741 it reads "Elizabeth the (Spur:)"???

From what I have found out there were three generations of single mothers from the same family on the same town: Elizabeth Sr, Elizabeth Jr and Mary Humby. :o :o :o :o :o

Pages: [1] 2