Robinson Family Liverpool Lancashire Assistance.

[Neale1961]

Vintrus, There has been so much information posted so far, that it can become overwhelming.
Perhaps go back and review the thread from the start, making notes of info that you might have missed.
  I have attempted a very brief summary of Robinson families so far to try to help.

Family of John ROBINSON and Ellen LINACRE/ LINAKER – both emigrated to Tasmania 1859
•   Mary 1826 Liverpool (convict to VDL in 1845)
•   William Henry 1829 Liverpool (known as Henry or Henry William) - emigrated to Tasmania 1861
•   William 1830 Liverpool (known as William or William Henry) - emigrated to Tasmania 1880 with family
•   Samuel 1832 Liverpool; died 1834 Liverpool
•   George 1838 Liverpool - emigrated to Tasmania 1859
•   Ann Jane 1844 Liverpool - emigrated to Tasmania 1859


1st Family of William ROBINSON with wife unknown ROONEY
•   Mary Ellen 1854 Liverpool (married in 1883 Liverpool)
•   William 1856 Liverpool; died as infant / child Liverpool
•   Henry 1858 Liverpool; died as infant / child Liverpool
•   James 1860 Liverpool; died as infant / child Liverpool
•   George 1862 Liverpool; died as infant / child Liverpool
•   Ann 1865 Liverpool - emigrated to Tasmania 1880

2nd Family of William ROBINSON with wife Margaret CHAPMAN - both emigrated to Tasmania 1880
•   John abt 1868 Liverpool (birth registration not yet found) - emigrated to Tasmania 1880
•   Sarah Jane 1871 Liverpool, died 1872 Liverpool
•   Henry 1873 Liverpool - emigrated to Tasmania 1880
•   Margaret 1875 Liverpool - emigrated to Tasmania 1880
•   Sarah 1877 Liverpool - emigrated to Tasmania 1880
•   George 1879 Liverpool - emigrated to Tasmania 1880
•   Eliza 1883 Tasmania, died 1884 Tasmania
•   Mary 1885 Tasmania (**see info below in next post)

[Neale1961]

**Mary ROBINSON born 1885 Launceston (daughter of William Robinson and Marg Chapman)
Married 13 march 1907 in NZ to Charles Ernest PETTERD

Son - Carlyle Charles PETTERD born 1906 Launceston
Daughter - Cassie PETTERD born 1907 NZ
Daughter - Winnifred PETTERD born 1909 NZ

1910 Charles Ernest Petterd charged with wife desertion. (He ended up in USA)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/251649633?searchTerm=%22Charles%20Ernest%20Petterd%22

2nd marriage Mary to Edward RICE 1930 NSW
Mary Died in 27 April 1965 Penrith NSW

[maddys52]

Thanks Neale for the helpful summary.

1st Family of William ROBINSON with wife unknown ROONEY
•   Mary Ellen 1854 Liverpool (married in 1883 Liverpool)
•   William 1856 Liverpool; died as infant / child Liverpool
•   Henry 1858 Liverpool; died as infant / child Liverpool
•   James 1860 Liverpool; died as infant / child Liverpool
•   George 1862 Liverpool; died as infant / child Liverpool
•   Ann 1865 Liverpool - emigrated to Tasmania 1880

There is a baptism at Liverpool of Mary Ellen ROBINSON on 21 July 1854 (born 15 July 1854) with parents William and Sarah. Unfortunately I can only see a transcription. Just a possibility - the birth fits with the registration Sept qtr 1854 at Liverpool (8b/54) mmn ROONEY.

As I think was suggested earlier, to find William ROBINSON's first wife's name it would be best to purchase one of the birth certificates. £3.00 digital images are very economical.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

[Neale1961]

Hi Vintrus, How are you going following up on all those Robinsons?

I found John Robinson in 1851 census in the Liverpool Workhouse, Mount pleasant.
”John Robinson, age 51, married, pauper, coachmaker journeyman, born Liverpool.”
Piece 2183, Folio 647, page 22 (Odd, it doesn’t seem to appear on the FamilySearch site)
 
Ellen Robinson and the children are probably in the workhouse too, but they are not listed with John in a family group. There are so many pages of difficult to read writing to search through, I lost the stamina. Anyway, it indicates that the family were impoverished, with the head of the house out of work – probably had been for a while, which is why Mary ended up stealing money.
It also confirms that John was born abt 1800 in Liverpool. That agrees with his age on the ship passenger list and age at death.

I have had a look at various possible John Robinson births around this time. The problem is it is a very common name.  The most probable family based on logical assumptions, place, dates and names, I have detailed below. Unfortunately there are no guarantees.

Possible birth for John ROBINSON
-   Born 21 May 1800; bapt 25 July 1800 Liverpool, Our Lady St Nicholas
Son of John Robinson (rope maker) ad Ann (nee Lyon), Abode Lawton Street


MARRIAGE - 21 March 1784 Our Lady St Nicholas, Liverpool
John ROBINSON Ropemaker of Liverpool to Ann LYON spinster of Liverpool

Children: taken from baptism records (Source FreeREG)
•   Elizabeth Robinson b. 5 Jul 1784 - d/o John and Ann - Ropemaker – Hay Market
•   Mary Robinson b. 1 Nov 1785 - d/o John and Ann - Ropemaker – Hay Market
•   Mary Robinson b. 1 Sep 1787 - d/o John and Ann - Ropemaker – Cropper Street
•   Ann Robinson b. 26 Jun 1789 - d/o John and Ann - Ropemaker – Cropper Street
•   Sarah Robinson b. 24 Mar 1791 - d/o John and Ellen (sic) - Ropemaker – Newington Street
•   John Robinson b. 19 Dec 1792  - S/o John and Ann - Ropemaker – Newington Street
•   Alice Robinson b. 23 Jan 1795 – 7th child, d/o John and Ann Lyon - Ropemaker – Brownlow Hill
•   William Robinson b. 23 Dec 1796 - S/o John and Ann - Ropemaker – Chappel Lane
•   Jane Robinson b. 06 Oct 1798 - d/o John and Ann Lyon - Ropemaker – Lawton Street
•   John Robinson b. 21 May 1800 - S/o John and Ann Lyon - Ropemaker – Lawton Street


1841 census  - This might be John Robinson (senior, rope maker) in the workhouse
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ21-D99?lang=en


DEATHS -You would need to look at the death registrations to see if these are for the correct people

Possible Burial Ann Robinson (nee Lyon) (age 78) spouse of John Robinson
18 Feb 1840 Liverpool
Registration - ROBINSON, ANN       Age 78 
GRO Reference: 1840  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 390

Possible Burial John Robinson (age 77)
17 Oct 1842 Liverpool workhouse
Registration - ROBINSON, JOHN       Age 77 
GRO Reference: 1842  D Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 307

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If the above death is correct then ……………

Ann LYON – daughter of William Lyon, a potter
Baptism 30 Aug 1761, born 14 Aug 1761 Liverpool St Peter

Other children -
Hugh 1763
Thomas 1765
Mary 1767
Alice 1771
William 1773
John 1775

MARRIAGE 16 Feb 1761 Liverpool St Peter
William LYON potter of Liverpool to Elizabeth SWIFT Spinster of Liverpool
Both made marks X  Witnesses – Wm Brown, Hugh Peel

[Vintrus]

Hi all, research is going very well.  I have located almost all burial information Robinson  + Partners for Tasmania. I'm working mainly on later generations of George Robinson (Williams Brother) now.

Thanks for all the info Neale will talk again soon.

[Neale1961]

... I'm working mainly on later generations of George Robinson (Williams Brother) now.

Regarding William’s brother – George Robinson and his wife Ann Dilworth.

George and Ann obviously knew each other in Liverpool, and Ann gave birth to George’s son, 2 months after George had sailed off to Australia.

Baby George was born 20 Dec 1859 in Liverpool, and baptised 31st Jan 1860.
He was baptised as George ROBINSON, but his birth registration was as George DILLWORTH – under his mother’s name, because his parents were not yet married.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939F-5W97-YX?i=625&lang=en


Guess who came to the rescue - - Mary and John Pond who paid for the emigration of Ann Dilworth and child to Tasmania. Ann and infant George sailed on the “Shalimar” to Melbourne, and then on the “Havilah III” to Launceston, arriving early August 1861. Without delay, on 19 August 1861, Ann and George married in Launceston.
Ships Passenger lists are viewable here -
https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/passenger-records-and-immigration


That infant, George Robinson eventually married in 1883 to Rachel Cecily Monaghan
He died in Lunawanna on Bruny Island on 13 Feb 1928 (age 69)
Death notice - https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/24194062?searchTerm=%22George%20Robinson%22