Robinson Family Liverpool Lancashire Assistance.

[Vintrus]

However I was thinking maybe Jane died and William remarried that would account for everything except where joe and william went but not why there is a different fathers name for William marriage to Margaret .

[Neale1961]

problem with Margaret one is John is to young he migrated at 14 not 11 so there is a problem with that to

Of course, that information is third hand, because John was dead and couldn’t be consulted. The newspaper journalist reported from memories of stories from either John’s widow, or one of his children. It is remarkable that they were so close to accurate - only a couple of years out in age.


There are several records with facts pointing you in the right direction, but in the end, it is your choice to follow them or not.

[maddys52]

I think the evidence is pointing to the parents of John Henry ROBINSON who died in Devonport in 1931 are William and Margaret.

However, for the other family - some other details:

At the same address, though in the next household (on the next page) at 78 Conroy St, Everton to William and Jane ROBINSON and family in 1871:
John BOLTON  62 Melling (lab for corporation)
Ann                   59  Sefton
RG10/3814/43 pg29

William ROBINSON, wid, labourer married Elizabeth LYON, spin, on 8 April 1877 at St Simon's Liverpool (both full age). His father - William ROBINSON, butcher (same as on marriage to Jane BOLTON); her father James LYON, stone dresser.

Possibly this death:
Jane ROBINSON Mar qtr 1876 West Derby and Toxteth Park (8b/334) aged 35.

[maddys52]

You have the family of William and Elizabeth ROBINSON in Kirkdale in 1881 (from Radcliffe in reply #1) at 393 Fountain Rd.

William ROBINSON  39  Ormskirk  (carter)
Elizabeth                    42  Kirby
William                       14  Liverpool  (apprentice pattern maker)
John H                         12 Liverpool (scholar)
Annie                           6
RG11/3635/98 pg19

This looks like them in 1891 at 49 Arley St, Liverpool:

William ROBINSON  49  Liverpool (general labourer)
Elizabeth                    52  Kirby
Annie                           16  Liverpool (shop woman)
RG12/2900/105 pg39

So if your John Henry ROBINSON arrived in Australia aged 14 (c1882) with his parents, this cannot be the correct family.

[maddys52]

In 1901 at 8 Hotspur St, Kirkdale:

William ROBINSON  59  Ormskirk  (steamship porter)
Elizabeth                   62  Kirby
Richard HUSSELBY  60 (wid, boarder)  Womtown, Staff, (provison porter)
RG13/3471/130 pg 44

In 1911 at 8 Hotspur St, Kirkdale:
Elizabeth ROBINSON (wid)  72  Kirby
William WINSON 56 (boarder)  High Bebbington, Cheshire  (dock labourer)

Possibly this death for William:
William ROBINSON Jun qtr 1904 West Derby (8b/254) aged 62

[Neale1961]

That’s great, maddys52

Hopefully all your posts with various detail will help Vintrus understand why the family he had found cannot be correct.

[Neale1961]

Regarding the immigration of your Robinson family in 1880 to Tasmania
The ticket was paid for by Mrs Mary POND of Launceston. She applied to sponsor them in Sep 1879.
She paid 80 pounds for their passage, which was a lot of money in those days, so her husband must have been successful in work. ( He had a fancy goods emporium in Launceston.)

From the “Applications for Immigrant Bounty Tickets” we see that she was paying for the passage of her relations:-
William Robinson - her brother (and family),  and Annie Robinson – her niece.

She also applied for Mary Ellen Robinson – her niece, but this was later cancelled.
Mary Ellen was a child from William’s first marriage. She is with her father and the rest of the family in the 1871 census.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBX1-12N?lang=en

In 1883 Liverpool, Mary Ellen married John McCormick


Birth registration
ROBINSON, MARY  ELLEN                          Mother’s maiden name - ROONEY 
GRO Reference: 1854  S Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 54

The other daughter -
Annie (Hannah) Robinson birth rego in 1865 Liverpool with Mother’s maiden name ROONEY

[Neale1961]

WHO was MARY POND?

Mary ROBINSON married on 22nd July 1850 Hobart to John POND
She died 29th Dec 1906 Launceston.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/38119544?searchTerm=Pond

I am still looking to see when and how she came to Australia – I am short of time at the moment.
I think she may have been a convict, and also paid for other Robinsons to come to Tasmania.
Potentially something very interesting.
EDIT TO ADD  See next post.

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Some baptisms for the Robinson family in Liverpool

Baptism for Mary ROBINSON , Liverpool St Peter
10 April 1826
Daughter of John and Ellen Robinson (coachmaker of Circus St)

Baptism for William Henry ROBINSON, Liverpool St Peter
7 Jun 1829 
Son of John and Ellen Robinson (coachmaker of Clayton St)

Baptism for William ROBINSON, Liverpool St Peter
23 Jun 1830 (another bapt for the same child? Or the first one died as a baby)
Son of John and Ellen Robinson (coachmaker of Chapel Lane)

Baptism for Samuel ROBINSON, Liverpool St Peter
19 Nov 1832
Son of John and Ellen Robinson (coachmaker of Mill Street East)

[Neale1961]

A bit more info on Mary Robinson (continued from previous reply #25) .....................

Mary Robinson age 18, nurse and needle girl from Liverpool, arrived in Tasmania as a convict in 1845 on board “Tory”.
Sentenced in 1844 for 7 years for larceny. She names members of her family on 1 of her records: Father – John, 3 brothers – Henry, Wm & Geo. all in Liverpool.
Certificate of Freedom in 1851
Convict records available online at Libraries Tasmania
Good summary here (scroll down)
https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/robinson/mary/10970

She had permission in 25 June 1850 to marry convict John Pond per “Pestongee Bomangee”

In 1859 Mary’s husband John Pond paid for the passage of her family to Tasmania.
Onboard “Argonaut” arriving 3 Oct 1859 were her parents, her brother George and Ann Jane.
John Robinson 59 labourer,
Ellen Robinson 58 wife,
George Robinson 20 labourer,
Ann Jane Robinson 14 general Servant

Her father John Robinson (age 78) died 2 Dec 1877 in Launceston
Her mother Ellen Robinson (age 83) died 23 Dec 1882 in Launceston


By the time William Robinson and family had arrived in Tasmania in 1880, his father had died, but his mother was still alive.