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Re: Elizabeth PHILLIPS - Born/bapt. in Lancashire or Cheshire?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 24 April 25 21:44 BST (UK) »
Possible bapt for Elizabeth jnr. No surname, but has Dalton St. Is birthdate different from cert?

Name   Elizabeth
Birth Date   3 Apr 1848
Baptism Date   2 Jul 1848
Parish   Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mother   Elizabeth
Register Type   Bishop's Transcripts
Reference Number   Drm/2/183

Edit can now see you posted cert. Your info has 3/3/1848
Thanks. This baptism is great  :D

I've corrected the month in my original post. I hadn't realised I'd entered it wrong.

Thanks again, Rowan  :)
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: Elizabeth PHILLIPS - Born/bapt. in Lancashire or Cheshire?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 24 April 25 21:49 BST (UK) »
What does the 1841 census say in the column headed "Whether Born in County? Y/N".
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Re: Elizabeth PHILLIPS - Born/bapt. in Lancashire or Cheshire?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 April 25 21:55 BST (UK) »
Looks like a Y for yes
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Re: Elizabeth PHILLIPS - Born/bapt. in Lancashire or Cheshire?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 24 April 25 21:59 BST (UK) »
Looks like a Y for yes

So, born in Lancashire ;)
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Re: Elizabeth PHILLIPS - Born/bapt. in Lancashire or Cheshire?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 24 April 25 22:14 BST (UK) »
Guessing she isn't going to be at 15 Dalton Street in 1851
I'm looking through the St. George part of Manchester on the 1851 census.

I've just spotted an Elizabeth PHILLIPS at 267 Rochdale Road. She's a lodger / domestic servant in the household of a John, I think it's REILY or REEBY or REELY or RERBY, age 24.
This Elizabeth is unmarried, age 25 and born in Manchester.

And interestingly, at 20 Worth Street is a Simon NIGHTINGALE, wife, Martha and 1 year old son, William. Possibly the father of Elizabeth Nightingale PHILLIPS b. 1848? Simon's age is transcribed as 37, but could the age actually read 27?

On the 1851 census, Samuel PHILLIPS and family are living at 14 Worth Street...

It keeps getting more interesting.
At 16 Worth Street is a Richard PHILLIPS and wife, Susannah. He's too young to be the brother of Samuel, but could he be a nephew?
Richard PHILLIPS, Head, 26 c. 1825, Manchester.
Age transcribed as 26 (so c. 1825) but could it be 36 (so c. 1815)? Either way, the age is out for Samuel's brother, but still and interesting one.

BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: Elizabeth PHILLIPS - Born/bapt. in Lancashire or Cheshire?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 24 April 25 22:19 BST (UK) »
Looks like a Y for yes

So, born in Lancashire ;)
It does say born in Lancashire, but it says that for 2 people born in Cheshire and I think Julia Ann nee Edwards may have been Welsh and it says born in Lancashire for her also. So I'm pretty much ignoring the 'Y' on the 1841 census. It's super unreliable, unfortunately.
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: Elizabeth PHILLIPS - Born/bapt. in Lancashire or Cheshire?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 24 April 25 23:38 BST (UK) »
I've just got the death cert. of Samuel PHILLIPS in 1855 and I'm curious about who registered the death.

Could Elizabeth HEATHCOTE be Elizabeth PHILLIPS? Or is this simply a red herring?
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: Elizabeth PHILLIPS - Born/bapt. in Lancashire or Cheshire?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 25 April 25 01:51 BST (UK) »

" I don't know what happens to Elizabeth Nightingale PHILLIPS after the 1851 census and I haven't got a baptism for her yet."

What happened to mother Elizabeth after this birth?

Ancestry baptisms Manchester  Cathedral
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2965/records/69133?
 
Elizabeth daughter of Elizabeth  born 3 Apr 1848    abode Dalton St 
baptised   2 July 1848     

                            all baptisms on two pages are for this date in July?

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Re: Elizabeth PHILLIPS - Born/bapt. in Lancashire or Cheshire?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 25 April 25 02:26 BST (UK) »


Ancestry Census England 1861

at 14 Worth St Manchester
PHILLIPS Mary        36y       head    dressmaker                   b. Chester
PHILLIPS Emma      20y       sister   warper cotton factory     b. Manchester
PHILLIPS Elizabeth  13y       sister   winder                          b. Manchester

also

PALMER William     28y       head     baker                            b. Manchester
PALMER Mary        24y       wife                                          b. Manchester
PALMER Edith Jane   1y      dau                                           b. Manchester

You might suspect that Elizabeth PHILLIPS, 13y  at 1861 is the girl with birth registered 3 Apr 1848?