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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 24 April 25 06:39 BST (UK) »
Interesting to note that the page from Tasmania, Australia, Convict Court and Selected Records, 1800-1899; Registers of conditional pardons issued, 1853-1856 which lists his name as having been awarded the conditional pardon, has his ship listed but no other information next to his name. Most other entries on that page show two dates and a town/village name  (which I would assume is their residence) for each person.

This makes me wonder whether his whereabouts were unknown to the authorities - and a possible change of name, perhaps?

There are mentions of him on the Tasmania Names Index.

The Marriage permission request is dated 13 September, 1852, and ,as you already know is for marriage to Mary Evans (ship: D(uke) of Cornwall - most convict records include the name of the transport ship as a further means of identification)

There are also Convict records for him (not always easy to find the dates these are made)

The appropriation record shows him deployed to Maria Island for fifteen months -probably at his arrival in 1844
https://libraries.tas.gov.au/Digital/CON27-1-10/CON27-1-10P212

Conduct Record has a number of entries, including a description of him and some mentions of misdemeanors such as stealing a sack of potatoes, being absent without leave etc.  He was sent to Port Arthur, a notorious prison at one stage.  I'll leave you to read!
One note states that he was not to reside in the Hobart area (1852 but a later note a few months later suggests that he may reside in the Hobart area!
https://libraries.tas.gov.au/Digital/CON33-1-57/CON33-1-57p52

Other than the granting of the Conditional Pardon I'm not seeing any records for him later than 1853.

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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 24 April 25 07:05 BST (UK) »
TROVE has an account of him and the potato stealing:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65980065/6255664
 The Cornwall Chronicle, Sat 25 Sept 1847
 Page 3, Headed LONGFORD. (in north of Tasmania)
John Dearlove, passholder in the service of C. Arthur, Esq , and Edward Blount, free, were brought up on a charge of stealing a bag of potatoes, the property of Mr. Arthur, and were remanded until Thursday for examination.

There's quite a detailed account of the trial here
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65980698
The Cornwall Chronicle, Sat 9 Oct 1847
  SUPREME COURT—(CRIMINAL SITTINGS.)

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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 April 25 07:22 BST (UK) »

It would be unlikely that he was refused permission to marry only because his wife was alive in UK.
The laws associated with a 7 year transportation sentence would mean both could remarry.
However any initial problem was rectified in October 1852
TROVE newspaper search has reported that the sanction was lifted in October 1852 so John & Mary were free to marry. Note that he only had Ticket of Leave in 1852.
Did they marry?



It is actually part of his convict record.
Certification from the Bishop of Tasmania.
Sue
ADDING  Oddly, it does not quite say that this fact prohibits a marriage.

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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 24 April 25 07:32 BST (UK) »
Note dated 5 Sept 1851 on John Dearlove’s convict record
“In the event of this man petitioning to be married the Bishop of Tasmania certifies that his wife is still alive in England”

The marriage between Dearlove and Evans was approved.
9 Oct 1852
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/173062770?searchTerm=%22John%20Dearlove%22


Then 13 Oct 1852 the Marriage permission was withdrawn
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/173062789?searchTerm=%22John%20Dearlove%22
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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 24 April 25 10:36 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for everything documented so far. I think it is clear that John James DEARLOVE did not return to England, at least he was not the John DEARLOVE who died in Hackney in 1860.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the name of the woman he proposed to marry: Mary EGAN, Mary EVANS or Maria EVANS. Also about the convict ship she arrived on: Duke of Cornwall or Anna Maria.

I am not sure of her correct name or the name of the ship she arrived on. I have been told - though have been unable to verify - that Mary EGAN of the Duke of Cornwall died on 11 Sep 1852 at Oatlands.

I am confused as to whether DEARLOVE and EVANS married. Or did she marry someone else?

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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 24 April 25 15:32 BST (UK) »

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the name of the woman he proposed to marry: Mary EGAN, Mary EVANS or Maria EVANS. Also about the convict ship she arrived on: Duke of Cornwall or Anna Maria.

I am not sure of her correct name or the name of the ship she arrived on. I have been told - though have been unable to verify - that Mary EGAN of the Duke of Cornwall died on 11 Sep 1852 at Oatlands.

I am confused as to whether DEARLOVE and EVANS married. Or did she marry someone else?

No reason for confusion. Mary Evans is quire clearly written on all documents relating to the marriage which did not take place. She came per “Anna Maria”.
Her convict record records that she married William Bradbury in 1853, detail already posted above.

Mary Eagan of the “ Duke of Cornwall” died 11 Sept 1852nat Oatlands. There was an inquest.
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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 24 April 25 15:51 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #16 on: Friday 25 April 25 02:39 BST (UK) »
Not all documents re Mary Evans give her ship as Anna Maria

https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/results?qu=dearlove&qf=NI_NAME_FACET%09Name%09Dearlove%2C+John%09Dearlove%2C

The image shown on the Tasmanian Names index of Marriage Permissions shows her as
'Maria Evans, D of Cornwall'  There are two notations on this index - 15/9/52 and 23/9/52 and an illegible comment.  Some entries for others show a date/place of marriage but not this one.

Seems to me that the information given on this document may be incorrect, as there "Maria Evans" is not shown on the convict list for the Duke of Cornwall;  however......  Seems that there is no record of an actual marriage taking place - or have I missed it?

(Thank goodness John had an easily-searched name; searching for Mary Evans is not so much fun! ;D)

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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #17 on: Friday 25 April 25 03:17 BST (UK) »

and it doesn't help when the transcription of the above record (link provided prev) shows:

Name:           Dearlove, John
Record Type:   Marriage Permissions
Ship/free:           Maria Somes
Marriage to:   Egan, Mary
Ship/free:           Duke of Cornwall
Permission date:13 Sep 1852
Index number:   18178
Record ID:           NAME_INDEXES:1246054