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Daniel or Donald McLeod and Elizabeth or Elisabeth Armour
« on: Wednesday 23 April 25 01:09 BST (UK) »
There is a fairly good family tree for this family on familysearch.org, Daniel McLeod person ID 9QMR-RXC and Donald Mcleod person ID GZFT-T5P.

There are a few loose ends.  I am not sure about the location of Daniel or Duncan or Donald McLeod's birth between 1814-1817.  Or if the death given in Dunoon in 1898 is actually the right person.

The 1881 census shows that Donald McLeod is 67 born in Ross-shire and Elizabeth McLeod is 50 born in United States.  The 1851 census shows Daniel MacLeod aged 41 born in Sutherland (Ross & Cromarty), Bonar Bridge.  Elizabeth Armour MacLeod aged 28 born in British North America, sister-in-law Jane Armour aged 26 also born in North America, and sister-in-law Mary Armour aged 13 born in Lanarkshire, Glasgow, her familysearch.org ID 9QZ1-Y61.  In 1841 I believe this family, excluding Elizabeth, might be Wm Amour aged 30 and Louisa Thomson aged 25 Out-of-County.  Elizabeth McLeod's death in 13 Dec 1890 in Partick seems unlikely as the mother's surname is Mitchell.  Donald McLeod death on 10 May 1898 in Dunoon, Argyll also seems strange, no mother's surname given.

Before I waste more credits on Scotland's People I was wondering if anyone can narrow things down a little more.  I am specifically looking for Daniel or Donald or Duncan's parent (Duncan's would likely be John MacLeod and Helen MacKenzie in 1814).  Elizabeth's parents I am not sure about but I am more interested in the McLeods.  I really don't understand a Cabinet maker being in British North America and returning.         

Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Daniel or Donald McLeod and Elizabeth or Elisabeth Armour
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 April 25 08:36 BST (UK) »
Before I waste time looking for things you already have, who is listed in each of those censuses, and where were they? And have you found them in 1861, 1871 and him in 1891?

If I were you I would bite the bullet and invest the price of a cup of coffee in looking at those two death certificates.

As for going to North America and back, that's not uncommon. I've found quite a few. My own second-great-grandparents emigrated to the USA in 1849, but had returned to Airdrie by 1861.
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Re: Daniel or Donald McLeod and Elizabeth or Elisabeth Armour
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 April 25 10:48 BST (UK) »
Re  no mother's surname given on D/C.

Info is only as good as the informants actual knowledge.
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Re: Daniel or Donald McLeod and Elizabeth or Elisabeth Armour
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 April 25 19:15 BST (UK) »
The death cert. for Donald McLeod 1898 in Dunoon, Steward, widower of Elizabeth, 80 years, parents Donald McLeod farmer, and Jane (might be Ann not Jane) McLeod no MS, and witness son-in-law Otto Lorenz.  Agnes McLeod married Otto Lorenz in 1887 in Blythwood.

In 1841 Kincardine, Ross-shire Oape this is what I think.  MCLEOD Cathrine 63 Out of County; MCLEOD John 31 Ag. Lab Out of County; MCLEOD Donald 27 Out of County - probably from Sutherland.
In 1851 Lanarkshire, Glasgow.  MACLEOD Daniel 41, No Trade Bred A Waiter,   Sutherland (or Ross and Cromarty), Bonar Bridge; MACLEOD Elizabeth Armour, Wife, 28, Born Overseas North America; MACLEOD John, Son, 5; MACLEOD Robert, Son, 3; MACLEOD Elizabeth,   Dau, 11m; all Glasgow            
ARMOUR Jane,   Sislaw, 26, Servant, Born Overseas North America, Deaf; ARMOUR Mary, Sislaw, 13, Scholar, Glasgow;
In 1881 St. Rollox, Lanarkshire.  Donald McLeod 67, Steward (ship's), Ross&Cromarty; Elizabeth 50, wife; Agnes, dau, 24, Glasgow; Maggie, dau, 22, Glasgow; Geogina Young, 3, g-dau, Ayr;     


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Re: Daniel or Donald McLeod and Elizabeth or Elisabeth Armour
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 April 25 19:51 BST (UK) »
If the certificate is a poor image, use the yellow 'Report an issue' button at top right to request a re-scan.

William Armour and Louise Thomson had a daughter Jean/Jane, but she was born in 1836 so in 1851 she was only 16, not 26, and she was born in Glasgow, not in USA. Also, William A and Lewis Thomson were married in Kilmarnock in 1833, and that is after the births of Elizabeth (1822/3) and Jean/Jane (1824/5) in USA. WA and LT also had Hugh (1844), John (1846), Robert (1849) and Louisa (1851).

So I don't think your Elizabeth, Jane and Mary are daughters of William A and Louise T.
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