1901 Census Mary Ellen Nolan Request

[amondg]

September quarter 1902 Salford  Vol. 8d page 294
Thomas Simmonds and Mary Ellen Nolan

The marriage certificate will name her father to verify you have the correct couple. 

[AlanBoyd]

This post is strictly for map aficionados only. And possibly fans of postwar British raincoats.

Further to my reply #7, on the linked map I spotted the annotation 'rp' at the corner of the Ship Hotel. Further research revealed that this is a "revision point". The Ordnance Survey took a huge series of photographs to log these points.

The website timepix.uk has an extensive collection of these photos including those for Greater Manchester. Here is the photo for the Ship Hotel, from September 1946.

https://www.timepix.uk/keyword/n-rthKP3/Ship%20Hotel

[hanes teulu]

AB,
As a "mapaholic" thanks for this. Casting about for the background to the exercise, again it mentions many collections have been destroyed while others remain in paper form in archives. Manchester seems to have been particularly lucky when the collection of 23,000 photos was saved and uploaded..

"RPs were often on corners of buildings and other immovable features and were fixed to centimetre accuracy". Where are those immovable features now at the junction of Eccles New Road and Regent Road?

"The men with the pointy sticks" - great stuff.

[AlanBoyd]

Where are those immovable features now at the junction of Eccles New Road and Regent Road?

Sadly, long gone, and buried under a rundabout.

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19.9&lat=53.47907&lon=-2.28288&layers=258&b=GoogleSatHyb&o=100

I wonder if the revision points were ever actually used by the OS?

[hanes teulu]

I did a StreetView check of the locale - no chance of a pub crawl now, only a traffic crawl. I enjoyed this item
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/arrow-photos-mapping-manchester

[AlanBoyd]

Thanks for that link HT: some of those photos are like surrealist art.

[Chezney]

Thank you very much to everyone for your information.

I wasn’t expecting Nellie Nolan to be listed under her nickname “Nellie” so no wonder I couldn’t find her and by the looks of it it’s been transcribed as “Holan”.

There’s been 2 replies for 1901 census record for Nellie Nolan, one being the lunatic asylum and the other being the pub where she may have worked.

Is it possible for someone to be listed in 2 different places on the same register?

I can’t see an admission to the lunatic asylum for “Nellie Nolan” but there does appear to be a “Mary Nolan” and her full name was “Mary Ellen Nolan”

[Milliepede]

Yes it is possible to be listed twice but first make sure one of them isn’t a different lady.

How about checking the marriage information as suggested to see if that confirms she was the pub entry. 

[hanes teulu]

A Thomas Simmonds, born Bury St Edmonds was at 8 Derby St, Salford on the 1901 Census. Derby Road ran south from Regent Road
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101103809#zoom=5.9&lat=5212&lon=4578&layers=BT

The Ship Hotel was at the junction of Eccles New Road and Regent Road - a stone's throw from Derby St.

No substitute for the marriage cert - although father's details present on cert. cannot be guaranteed.