Trying to find a Smith death, would appreciate some help please.

[Cas (stallc)]

Great sleuthing yet again John!...looks likely correct. 1911 has married 23 years & 2 children born.

1901 at same address Red Cow Drove (as transcribed on A*)
Littleport, Cambridgeshire England
Registration District   Ely

George Whnith 32 Downham, Cambridgeshire
Mary A Whnith   32 Welney, Norfolk
James W Whnith 12 Son   Littleport, Cambridgeshire

SMITH, JAMES  WILLIAM  mmn   HANNAH 
GRO Reference: 1888  J Quarter in ELY  Volume 03B  Page 568

1891 - Dairy Houses
Littleport, Cambridgeshire, England
George Smith   21   Head
Mary A Smith 22   Wife
James W Smith 2   Son

Bapt for Mary Ann, which would fit with birthdate on 1939 register, image online

Name   Marianne Hannah
Record Type   Baptism
Baptism Date   11 Oct 1868
Baptism Place   Welney, Norfolk, England
Father   George Hannah
Mother   Sarah Jane Hannah
Parish as it Appears   Welney

Cas

[Steve C]

Electoral registers 1951, 1952, 1953 (qualifying dates in November of the previous year)
Isle of Ely, Littleport
Red Cow Drive
Smith, George
Smith, George W., Senr.
Smith, Mary A.

The names are in an alphabetical list, so I can't say exactly who is in any paricular house.
No more Mary A Smith after 1953.

1954, 1955, 1956 electoral registers
Red Cow Drove
Smith, George
Smith, George W., Senr.

1957 just one Smith, George, in Red Cow Drove.

1911 census, Red Cow Drove
Mary Ann Smith, Wife, 42, born Welney Norfolk

1921 census, Red Cow Drove
Mary Ann Smith, Wife, 52 years 2 months, born Welney Norfolk

Gorge Hannah, 81, father in law, is in the household in 1921

Son George W Smith is age 4 in 1911 and 14 in 1921, born Littleport Fen.
His birth
SMITH, GEORGE  WILLIAM     
Mother's Maiden Surname: HANNAH 
GRO Reference: 1907  M Quarter in ELY  Volume 03B  Page 475

Mary A Smith's date of birth in 1939 is 22 Sep 1868, the month doesn't match with the 52 years 2 months given in June 1921.

It does though match a possible birth reg for a M. A. Hannah
HANNAH, MARY  ANN     
Mother's Maiden Surname: JAMES 
GRO Reference: 1868  D Quarter in DOWNHAM UNION  Volume 04B  Page 353

Could this be her in 1871? Age 2, born Welney, Norfolk. Parents George and Jane
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFNP-K2B
GRO Reference: 1868  D Quarter in DOWNHAM UNION  Volume 04B  Page 353

And in 1881, age 12, parents George and Sarah J.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q278-FWFY

Possible marriage of George William Smith and Mary Ann Hannah in Dec qtr 1887, Downham.

Are we sure the Mary Ann Smith in Red Cow Drove in 1921 and 1939 is a twice married Mary Ann Tabor from Pinchbeck? She looks more like the Mary Ann Hannah from Welney?

Many thanks jonwarrn for your three replies especially the last comprehensive reply, I really appreciate the time and effort you have gone to.

It appears I have messed up big time and only your expert sleuthing has helped put me back on the straight and narrow again 

There is/was a fatal flaw in the information I have acquired. I noticed this last night whilst trying to study all the records and notes I had accumulated. It was staring me in the face............your last sentence sums it up nicely......the Mary Ann Smith on the 1921 census and 1939 register cant be the Mary Ann Tabor from Pinchbeck.

Mary Ann Tabor from Pinchbeck had parents named Thomas Henry Tabor and Ruth Tabor (nee Fuller ). This being the case George Hannah (Father in Law) listed on the 1921 census proves the Mary Ann Smith in Red Cow Drove in 1921 and 1939 IS NOT the twice married Mary Ann Tabor from Pinchbeck? As you correctly elaborate, she looks more like the Mary Ann Hannah from Welney!

I have attached a copy of the newspaper article taken from the Cambs Times stating Smith to Parfrey marriage on 15.11.1919.

So where are George W Smith and Mary A Smith living after 1919?

Many sincere thanks again jonwarrn for all your help and assistance.

[Steve C]

Great sleuthing yet again John!...looks likely correct. 1911 has married 23 years & 2 children born.

1901 at same address Red Cow Drove (as transcribed on A*)
Littleport, Cambridgeshire England
Registration District   Ely

George Whnith 32 Downham, Cambridgeshire
Mary A Whnith   32 Welney, Norfolk
James W Whnith 12 Son   Littleport, Cambridgeshire

SMITH, JAMES  WILLIAM  mmn   HANNAH 
GRO Reference: 1888  J Quarter in ELY  Volume 03B  Page 568

1891 - Dairy Houses
Littleport, Cambridgeshire, England
George Smith   21   Head
Mary A Smith 22   Wife
James W Smith 2   Son

Bapt for Mary Ann, which would fit with birthdate on 1939 register, image online

Name   Marianne Hannah
Record Type   Baptism
Baptism Date   11 Oct 1868
Baptism Place   Welney, Norfolk, England
Father   George Hannah
Mother   Sarah Jane Hannah
Parish as it Appears   Welney

Cas

Many thanks Cas for taking the time to research and reply with your findings 

Please see my previous reply to jonwarrn


Steve

[PatLac]

Hi again Steve C,

So you are definitely interested in Mary Ann Tabor, right?

I have noticed some interesting things about her. First son, Luke, was registered in 1893 in Spalding, Lincolnshire, as Luke Fuller Tabor, no mother's maiden name on GRO. Later on he married (4 times!) and died as Luke Parfrey.

She had many children with George Parfery (Parfrey), but one of them Violet May Parfery, was born in 1911 after George's death and before her marriage to George W Smith (1919). Is she her daughter? I'm assuming she is because of her place of birth, North Witchford, and mother's maiden surname, Tabor. Unfortunately she died that same year.

Based on the other children's marriages and offspring (daughter Florence May married Bertie Cooper and their latest children were born in St. Ives in mid 1930s), and considering Mary Ann's DOB 1871, I think this could be her death

Deaths Sep 1944   (>99%)
Smith    Mary A    73    St. Ives    3b   270

[Steve C]

Hi again Steve C,

So you are definitely interested in Mary Ann Tabor, right?

I have noticed some interesting things about her. First son, Luke, was registered in 1893 in Spalding, Lincolnshire, as Luke Fuller Tabor, no mother's maiden name on GRO. Later on he married (4 times!) and died as Luke Parfrey.

She had many children with George Parfery (Parfrey), but one of them Violet May Parfery, was born in 1911 after George's death and before her marriage to George W Smith (1919). Is she her daughter? I'm assuming she is because of her place of birth, North Witchford, and mother's maiden surname, Tabor. Unfortunately she died that same year.

Based on the other children's marriages and offspring (daughter Florence May married Bertie Cooper and their latest children were born in St. Ives in mid 1930s), and considering Mary Ann's DOB 1871, I think this could be her death

Deaths Sep 1944   (>99%)
Smith    Mary A    73    St. Ives    3b   270

Thank you very much PatLac for your latest reply and for the details you enclose. I am familar with quite a lot of the content 

Yes I am interested Mary Ann Tabor, you were informing me about her baptism in 1871 in an earlier reply 

Are you alluding to being 99% sure the Sept 1944 death in St Ives for Mary A Smith was Mary Ann Tabor?


Many thanks again Steve

[PatLac]

99% refers to the possibilty that she died September., as per FreeBDM UK website.

I wasn't able to access the GRO index for that year but now I have managed it.

Name:   Age at Death (in years): 
   SMITH, MARY  ANN     73 
GRO Reference: 1944  S Quarter in ST. IVES  Volume 03B  Page 270

[Steve C]

99% refers to the possibilty that she died September., as per FreeBDM UK website.

I wasn't able to access the GRO index for that year but now I have managed it.

Name:   Age at Death (in years): 
   SMITH, MARY  ANN     73 
GRO Reference: 1944  S Quarter in ST. IVES  Volume 03B  Page 270

Many thanks for your latest reply......so intriguing.....I have checked the 1939 register for Bertie Cooper and family, they continued to breed well........entry number 14 for the household a Mary Ann Smith living there too, a retired O.A.P listed as a widow with a date of birth given 22nd Mar 72.

What do you think?


Steve

[PatLac]

99% refers to the possibilty that she died September., as per FreeBDM UK website.

I wasn't able to access the GRO index for that year but now I have managed it.

Name:   Age at Death (in years): 
   SMITH, MARY  ANN     73 
GRO Reference: 1944  S Quarter in ST. IVES  Volume 03B  Page 270

Many thanks for your latest reply......so intriguing.....I have checked the 1939 register for Bertie Cooper and family, they continued to breed well........entry number 14 for the household a Mary Ann Smith living there too, a retired O.A.P listed as a widow with a date of birth given 22nd Mar 72.

What do you think?


Steve

I think it's very possible! I was looking for Florence May in the 1921 census, she's nowhere to be found. I have notice that in the 1911 census the transcription is Hlary May. I have found Bertie Cooper living with his family before their marriage in Dec 1921.

So, George W Smith died before 1939.

I've also noticed that her younger son Alfred Ernest was living with another family (Dunkling) in the 1921 census.

[Cas (stallc)]

1871 census, taken 2nd April, has Mary A Tabor with parents age under 1 month - born around March

So a very good possible even though a year out. To confirm you could get the £3.00 digital birth and/or death certs, to see if birthday matches and check informant/address at death.

Cas