Robbs in & around Lisburn

[aghadowey]

Found out a bit more this evening as I needed a good distraction 

Jane Ann Robb & husband Thomas Moore-
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6649.12888 (Thomas)
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6781.1981 (Jane)
Son Thomas Andrew Moore-
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6535.3337
Son Reginald Heber McNeight Moore-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06066/4729604.pdf
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6565.2530
Note: Reginald Heber was a famous Anglican clergyman.

Belfast Newsletter, 1 Apr.1912: Mr. Robert Robb, Lisburn ... by his son, Mr. James Robb. In all his dealings with the public he was courteous and upright, and was held in universal esteem, was an old member of the Cathedral congregation, and was seldom absent from the Sunday services. Fond of music, he assisted the choir ...

James Robb (c1861-1924/1934), painter, only son, m.(1882) Elizabeth Ann Dickey (d.1890 Lisburn); m.(1894) Margaret Ann “Maggie” Belshaw (c1866-8 Mar.1938)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10982/8014710.pdf
Belfast Telegraph, 9 Nov.1882: ROBB—DICKEY— Noyember 8, at Seymour Street Wesleyan Church, Lisburn, by the Rev. John Moore, James Robb, only son of Robert Robb, to Lizzie, only daughter Edward Dickey, both of Lisburn.
Belfast Newsletter, 3 June 1890: ROBB- June 2, at her father’s residence, 20, Bridge Street, Lisburn, Elizabeth Ann (Lizzie), the beloved wife of James Robb, and only daughter of Edward Dickey. Interment in _ Cemetery ...
Lisburn Standard, 13 July 1912: ... Bachelor’s Walk, Lisburn. ... will be executed by First-class Tradesmen, under my personal supervision. Chares Moderate. Yours faithfully, James Robb, Robert Robb & Son, Lisburn.
Belfast Newsletter, 9 Mar.1938: ROBB- March 8, 1938, at the Hospital, Purdysburn Road, Margaret Ann Robb. Funeral from her late residence, 83, Broadway Parade, to-morrow (Thursday), at 2-30 p.m., to ...

Daughter Jane-
Belfast Newsletter, 20 Oct.1908: ... Derriaghy Parish Church, the Rev. Canon Pounden, Andrew, eldest son of the late Andrew Scott, Lisburn, to Jennie, eldest daughter of James Robb, Bachelor’s Walk, Lisburn.
Daughter Victoria Maud-
Belfast Telegraph, 17 Feb.1934: ROBB- February 16, 1934, Victoria Maud, dearly-loved daughter of Margaret and the late James Robb. Funeral from 16 Vernon Street, to Lisburn Cemetery, to-morrow (Sunday) ... Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Mother and Brother.
Son Robert James Robb-
Northern Whig [Belfast], 20 Mar.1924: ROBB- March 18, 1924, at his parents’ residence, 31, Bachelor’s Walk, Lisburn, Robert James, eldest son of James and Margaret Robb. Funeral from above address for interment in Lisburn Cemetery.

Mary Ann Robb (c1861 Co.Down-4 Nov.1931 Lisburn) m.(1917 St. Thomas’ COI, Belfast) Samuel Bruce
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09742/5535034.pdf
Belfast Telegraph, 5 Nov.1931: BRUCE- November 4, 1931, at her residence, 51 Bachelor’s Walk, Lisburn, Mary A., eldest daughter of the late Robert Robb. The remains of my beloved aunt will be removed from the above address, on to-morrow (Friday) ...
Bruce Mary Ann of 51 Bachelor's Walk Lisburn county Antrim died 4 November 1931 Administration Belfast 24 November to Samuel Bruce spinning master the husband. Effects £285 5s. 1d. Effects £285 5s 1d

[aghadowey]

Both Thomas Robb and sister Mary Ann Longwill named daughters Jane Anna/Jane Anna Elizabeth (and brother Robert had a daughter Jane) so I wondered if Andrew's wife was Jane Anna or at least Jane. I searched for a death without any luck. Possibly both Andrew and wife died before 1864.

From the newspaper snippets the Robbs seem to have ben Church of Ireland, as I suspected.

Good news is that the church records are extensive- C.I. Lisburn (Christ Church Cathedral)
Baptisms, 1637, 1639-41, 1643-46, 1655-1933
Marriages, 1639-41, 1643-46 and 1664-1967
Burials, 1639­-41 and 1661-1929; burials in Lisburn Cathedral churchyard, 1670-1951
However, they are available to view at PRONI, Belfast.

[tejjy]

I'm not sure I date to post another question ever again! This is fantastic, thanks very much. I don't want to think how many hours that would have taken me. Your newspaper searching skills in particular are awe-inspiring; looking at your results I can see why my searches didn't turn up the same results - but you must have waded through a ton of results to cull these relevant ones.

The family will be pleased, I think.

I don't know how invested you get in the stories you research; did you find Thomas Robb's theft of his brother-im-law's cashbox just prior to his departure for Australia? (Belfast Morning News, 26 Oct 186, bankruptcy column) He was a complicated man, it seems.

[aghadowey]

Glad the information is of interest. Quite an interesting family to research.
The newspaper searches take time and patience. Just keep repeating searches by changing search terms, dates, etc.

[tejjy]

aghadowey - can i please ask you a couple of things: 1.) What is the PRONI reference for the 1874-1879 Valuation Book entry you mention, because I can't find it. And the other question is, if the Robbs turn out to be Presbyterian, does that mean checking with each church individually for extant registers, or will they be in the PRONI as well?

Cheers

[aghadowey]

1.) What is the PRONI reference for the 1874-1879 Valuation Book entry you mention, because I can't find it.

According to the Valuation Revision Books (https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/searching-valuation-revision-books) Thomas Robb is listed at property number 58 Chapel Hill in Lisburn from 1874-1879. The street number was 17 and it consisted of a house, yard & small garden. It looks like the property is no longer there but I think it was around the entrance to the Ford dealership.

That link works for me. If you scroll down a wee bit to the green button "Search Valuation Revision Books" on the page that comes up put in 'chapel hill' and select 'Antrim' as County.
Next page brings up list of various revision books. Select VAL/12B/8/9c and VAL/12B/9G to see years in question.

And the other question is, if the Robbs turn out to be Presbyterian, does that mean checking with each church individually for extant registers, or will they be in the PRONI as well?
I think that the Robbs were Church of Ireland as I mentioned before but since marriages usually take place in the bride's church there might be records in Presbyterian churches. There are also other Protestant denominations. See PRONI's Guide to Church records for a list of the register they have on microfilm.
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records
Not all church records survive and of those that do not all are on microfilm at PRONI or online.
If you do find a marriage record in the civil registrations it's easy to tell where it took place. That will be the same record the church has.

[tejjy]

thanks again - i'll start by assuming they are COI, but i thought i'd plan ahead in case not